Cristiano Ronaldo ~ Your Favorite Player Is So Much Better!! Thread

It's just not his playing style. Ronaldo played deep and wide instead of deep and centrally which is the position from which comes the most through balls

I'd say Juve weren't that dominant since Ronaldo arrived. The team has lack of creativity on midfield so that Ronaldo had to drop deep and make things happen cause the ball simply didn't reach as it used to be at Real Madrid.

Maybe I'm wrong but Ronaldo maybe had the best average on those 3 seasons combined since he is in top 3 on the three seasons and the other players aren't. It's also possibly true at DBS Calcio but less than on Sofascore cause in his third season he is just out of top 10

 

It is agenda against Cristiano. Havent you seen those 5 clips? Which other player has full 5 clips?

 

Potential to be a TOP5 OAT playmaker...

 

He can do everything Pirlo can.. he can play like Xavi after 5 beers.. he is just so buys with decisive, unpredictable, creative, game-changing off the ball movement and spreading attack, he has no time to receive passes few meters deeper and create game-winning chances for his teammates with those silly skills. What kind of player would waste time doing that?

 

Btw, per Sofa Cristiano created 23 big chances in league across his 3 seasons in Juve.. washed up Messi created 29 in 2023 league season.

I swear Cristiano has the best content creators in the world.

It is a complete football revisionism what is going on here in the last few comments.

 

@Tropeiro What it was? Can't give an proper answer so will just ignore this? lol I completely refuted your argument now you don't have a rejoinder

 

Are we really comparing ligue 1 with série A? LoL

 

In 2019 Papu Gomez created 22 big chances.
In 2020 Luis Alberto created 21 big chances
In 2021 De Paul and Ilicic created 20 big chances respectively

In 2020 Messi created 36 big chances in la liga. The year others say Messi was not the best palyer in the world anymore..

 

Messi had still quality obviously but he had now 'only' three goals in eight Champions League games. Was swept 8-2 by Bayern, with him as important reason behind this. Had no goals and no assists against Real Madrid in any game. For Argentina though he now delivered against the big boys (a relative rarity, against Brazil). Macro_football shows clearly a downward slope at the age of 32. The age he had for the entire season.

With La Liga no longer clearly the best league by then, and Lewandowski in such fine form, I think it is really hard to say Messi was the best. The only thing is Lewandowski himself didn't do an enormous amount in the concluding stages of the Champions League.

Which was also said when he left Bayern. That he didn't do a lot in the mini tournament.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3410127/2022/07/17/robert-lewandowski-bayern-barcelona-transfer/

But also without Lewandowski you can still see Messi was on a downward slope. In macro_football and such. He had likely not the same drive as Ronaldo and, sorry to say, treatment for growth disorders can have faster ageing as side effect.

 

19/20 is his second highest xA season at LaLiga (lose only to 14/15 by a thin margin) and 2023 is between his best xA seasons ever also. Level with 16, 17, 18, etc...

His lowest seasons were 2021 and 2022

 

@Isaías Silva Serafim


left foot
17 years old

 

"In 2020 Messi created 36 big chances in la liga. The year others say Messi was not the best palyer in the world anymore.."

This is how it looks at 'macro-football' (copy pasted from earlier post)

2017-18: 18.9 (1st, on par with Rakitic)
2018-19: 15.9 (2nd of Barcelona)
2019-20: 16.0 (Arturo Vidal of Barcelona, also born in 1987, was 15.7)
2020-21: 15.9

2021-22: 11.0 (5th of PSG)
2022-23: 9.5 (6th of PSG)

Lewandowski (b. 21/08/1988) is on 23.2 for 2019-20. He is at 20.3 for 2017-18, to give an idea. So he is close for both seasons while for Messi you see a hick-up after 2018 and then a further bump down in 2021.

There is not an automatic downgrade that is related to age. Lewandowski shows this, but also Van Dijk for instance. In the highest percentile every year since 2018 (and earlier) except when he was injured (low sample size; also applies for that finishing number of 54 of course). He is still the same percentile at the age of 32, which he was throughout the season.





There are years like Sneijder 2010 or Iniesta 2012 where some would say "okay, Messi was probably the best but Sneijder was heavily and decisively involved in everything he won, including domestic rivals (plus those two balls in the final) so..." - me waving with the orange flag will say this - but in the case of Lewandowski it are different goalposts.

I'd say this also matches with some other things 'we' know, like how Messi his last assist against Real Madrid was in 2017 and his last goal in may 2018 (aged 30).

Macro football is not the only source to look at it matches with other things we can see: 10 non-penalty CL goals for 2015, 5 for 2016, 9 for 2017, 6 for 2018, 11 for 2019, 3 for 2020, 1 for 2021, 3 for 2022, 4 for 2023. In the last two Barcelona seasons he has without penalties on 3 and 1 goals respectively. That's the lowest since 2007. We can also compare it with Lewandowski (yes, a striker) since then. Robben said in 2018 interestingly Cristiano Ronaldo is the best in the world "right now", for him... intriguing.

This is, for reference, Ronaldo in each year that is available:

2014-15: 8.91
2015-16: 10.74
2016-17: 15.47
2017-18: 16.34
2018-19: 16.15
2019-20: 15.23
2020-21: 14.11
2021-22: 12.06
2022-23: 4.22
2023-24: N/A

 

@Isaías Silva Serafim

The evolution

 

The way he developed from a George Best into a Eusébio isn't talked enough

 

Delusional CR7 fans.. you have nothing outside of sofascore and statistics really.
CR was never like Best lol, too wasteful at his younger versions
Carlito critizining Garrincha for being a retarded but young CR was even worse, if you gonna talk about statistics then Garrincha completed over 9 dribbles per game at 62 WC

 

Sofascore doesn't rate young Cr7 like Cruijff in 1974 anyway.

In the 2007-08 CL he is merely 25th among quarter-finalists with enough minutes. In 2006-07 he is 35th. 6.73 rating in 2005-06 etc.

So before people bash Whoscored, Sofascore etc. - they don't see (young) CR7 as of the Best level. Or Ronaldinho 2005-06.

 

. "Cristiano Ronaldo is better than George Best and Denis Law, who were two brilliant and great players in the history of United.

But Cristiano is only 22 years old and with his quality and progression in the game, I believe he will be even better and win many more prizes for himself and his club.
Johan Cruyff March 2008
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/foot...paign=continue_reading_button#google_vignette

is only 22 years old


and with his quality and progression in the game he will get even better


And he most certainly did

 

George best isn’t even listed on the sofascore database.
So which “level” are you talking about?

The one on YouTube?

Or the one that Johan Cruyff saw live ?

It is a fact that very notable aspects of a very young Cristianos all round game(dribbling,foul winning,duels and defence)were most definitely on par with Johan Cruyff in his absolute prime.

And Ronaldinho in his absolute prime.

These are facts.

Some people don’t like facts here and it is like they are allergic to them.

was he exactly like them or as refined as them(the full package)?
No

he is not a clone and he was still a work in progress

 

i didnt say he is inferior to Best ( 07/08 CR is a better player yeah), i meant his playing style is nothing like best
Best is clearly a superior dribbler tho

 

George best

“There have been a few players described as the new George Best over the years," said Best in 2004, the year before he died. "But this is the first time it's been a compliment to me."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/i-want-to-lift-european-cup-just-724938.amp

Bobby Charlton


“Cristiano is unlike any other player we have seen at this club," said Charlton.

"I cannot compare him with anyone. He is faster and stronger and does things with a ball most people can only dream about.

"He is a quality player at the highest level and potentially, he is one of the greats."
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/ronaldo-unique-in-uniteds-history---charlton-75189

Pelé

“Cristiano Ronaldo is an extraordinary player, who reminds me of George Best”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...aka-better-player-Ronaldo-thanks-loyalty.html

Denis law


'It's very difficult to compare Cristiano and Bestie in the circumstances because you're going back many, many years.

'But I suppose if Bestie was playing in the current United team, then they'd be on a par.'
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/0422/216979-ronaldo/

Paddy crerand


“If I am honest, I never thought I would see another player like George Best in my lifetime. I was wrong.
I saw him on Wednesday night at Old Trafford and his name is Cristiano Ronaldo”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-Why-I-believe-Ronaldo-great-George-Best.html

Random spectator(?) who saw Cristiano in his absolute pomp at Manchester United
“The old boy walking away from Old Trafford with what looked like his grandson beside him summed it up best.
"I saw George Best, I saw Denis Law and I saw Bobby Charlton but, bloody hell, this lad takes some beating," he said with a smile before departing into the late afternoon.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/super-ronaldo-simply-the-best-1633512.amp

did I leave anyone out except god himself to convince you?


I don’t like to go in this direction(a battle of quotes)
But if the debate is going to be decided by opinions(since people don’t like facts)
Then how about we go with those qualified and better placed?

surely that is at least reasonable?

so we put this on the scale
on one side of the scale there is you
@fffff22453221

on the other side there is
George best himself

his contemporaries
the ones who played with and against him

The ones who eat with him,drank with him,trained with him and shared some of the best(no pun intended) moments of their professional career with him.

The exact same ones who saw his good and bad moments

fans who saw him live in the stadium

The only thing that could possibly help you is advanced data but since it doesn’t even exist(beyond rudimentary statistics) for George best you literally have no legs to stand on.

A 15 minute YouTube compilation will not help you against the mountain in front of you.

 

@Isaías Silva Serafim

 

You cannot see those 'facts' in isolation. You can have 5 dribbles per game and yet lose the ball countless times. The ratings for (young) Cristiano or simply nowhere near Ronaldinho his level or the others you compare him with. The ratings, as said before, also take place on the field into account.

 

Yeah you can indeed lose the ball countless of times

Considerably more times than Cristiano Ronaldo

Is there a way to highlight the dispossessions and dribbled past statistics or can I trust your eyesight to guide you to it?











It is one thing to be extremely biased and another to be blind

 

the pushback is bordering on hilarious though.
I am not even the one who compared a 19 year old cristiano to a peak Johan Cruyff in absolute terms

I mean does it hurt you guys soul so much that the guy you so obstinately compared to Gerd Müller or Van basten or Romario actually had champions league campaigns in his career during which very notable aspects of his all round game were on par with Johan Cruyff

Does it hurt that much?
Would it hurt less if I did this

 

According to sofascore he was
2nd in 2018/19
1st in 2019/20
3rd in 2020/21

according to Whoscored he was first in
2018/19
2019/20
2020/21