2007/08 PL 1126 passes made 81.26% pass accuracy 118 crosses attempted 90 dribbles completed 29 tackles 11 man of the match awards 2747 minutes played https://www.premierleague.com/stats/player-comparison https://bleacherreport.com/articles/32547-manchester-united-20072008-season-review 30 accurate passes per 90 3.87 attempted crosses per 90 0.95 tackles per 90 2.95 completed dribbles per 90 Scored 12 match winning goals Manchester United won 27 league fixtures Had a direct share in 44.4% of Manchester Uniteds wins https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/gamewinners/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2007/plus/1 2010/11 la liga 1253 attempted passes 948 accurate passes 75 successful dribbles 91 attempted crosses 17 tackles 12 MOTM awards 2913 minutes played(32.3 matches) 29.3 accurate passes per 90 2.32 successful dribbles per 90 2.81 attempted crosses per 90 0.52 tackles per 90 Scored 12 match winning goals Real Madrid 2010/11 won 29 league fixtures He had a direct share in 41.4% of real Madrids wins https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/laliga/gamewinners/wettbewerb/ES1/plus/1?saison_id=2010 https://www.whoscored.com/Players/5583/History/Cristiano-Ronaldo In 2007/08 He dribbled more Crossed more Defended more Was a more accurate shooter Passed the ball more accurately Was more clutch with his goals And won roughly the same amount of MOTM awards And remember the source for his Manchester United MOTM awards was media and not advanced algorithms. If it was the other way round imagine how many more MOTM of the match awards he'd have in 2007/08 when he was the player who contributed the most offensively in the league If we include match winning goals and assists His goals and assists won 25 premier league points for Manchester United(30.86%) in the 2007/08 PL In 2010/11 la liga his goals/assists won 24 points for Real Madrid(27.91%) If we include all competitions that gap grows even bigger https://www.messivsronaldo.app/detailed-stats/points-contribution/ Another thing and this is clear as day Ronaldo CL 2007/08>>>>>>>>>CL 2010/11 Scored in every KO round except the SF vs Barcelona(even though he won a penalty that he missed) And he completed around 4 dribbles per 90 A little less then 2006/07(which was boosted by double digit dribbling performances vs benfica and Roma) If you compare Ronaldo vs Chelsea 2008 to his performance vs Barcelona 2011 its like night and day In one match vs Chelsea he scored more goals,completed more dribbles,created more chances and was consequently fouled more times then he was in 2 semi final ties vs Barcelona For a 22/23 year old to be considered the best player/golden boot of the best league in the world and the best player/golden boot of the champions league being the go to guy and carrying the offensive burden of his team is something that cannot be surpassed lightly Overall 2007/08 PL > 2010/11 la liga 2010/11 copa del rey> 2007/08 Fa cup 2007/08 CL>>2010/11 CL Goals Passing Dribbling
To be fair, it would have been very difficult for anyone to look good against that Barcelona team in 2011.
La liga Overall January 1st 2010 to December 31st 2014 Goals/assists Lionel Messi 195 goals+69 opta assists 14568 minutes played (162~ matches) Goals per 90 1.20 goals per 90 Assists per 90 0.43 assists per 90 Goals+assists per 90 1.63 goals+assists per 90 Cristiano Ronaldo 195 goals+56 opta assists 14639 minutes played (163~ matches played) Goals per 90 1.20 goals per 90 Assists per 90 0.34 assists per 90 Goals+assists per 90 1.54 goals+assists per 90 Dribbles,key passes and MOTM awards Successful dribbles Lionel Messi 795 dribbles completed 4.90 dribbles completed per 90 Cristiano Ronaldo 361 dribbles completed 2.21 dribbles completed per 90 Key passes Lionel Messi 370 key passes 2.28 key passes per 90 Cristiano Ronaldo 332 key passes 2.03 key passes per 90 Man of the match Lionel Messi 97 MOTM awards Man of the match in roughly 60% of matches participated in Cristiano Ronaldo 65 MOTM awards Man of the match in roughly 40% of matches participated in La liga Calender year ratings 2010 Calender year Lionel Messi WS avg rating:8.96 Cristiano Ronaldo WS avg rating:8.46 https://www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2010 2011 calendar year Lionel Messi WS avg rating:8.62 Cristiano Ronaldo WS avg rating:8.37 https://www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2011/ 2012 calendar year Lionel Messi WS avg rating:8.99 Cristiano Ronaldo WS avg rating:8.06 https://www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2012/ 2013 calendar year Lionel Messi WS avg rating:8.50 Cristiano Ronaldo WS avg rating:8.32 https://www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2013/ 2014 calendar year Cristiano Ronaldo 8.79 Lionel Messi 8.52 https://www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2014/ Overall whoscored average rating in la liga matches for Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo between January 1st 2010 and December 31st 2014 Lionel Messi avg WS rating 8.71 Cristiano Ronaldo avg WS rating 8.40 This over 160~ matches(a sample size of over four consecutive 38 match seasons) The individual battle between those 2 was like something mythical from the iliad A modern day Achilles vs hector with less gore but just as much determinedness to outdo the other 100-200 years from now it will be mythologized like this "It was special and it was a duel that will remain forever as it went on for many years and it isn't easy to keep competing at the highest level for so long," Messi told Dazn Italia when asked about his rivalry with Cristiano Ronaldo. "Competing head to head for so many years will be remembered forever. The sporting rivalry between us was very nice on a personal level. I think that the fans also enjoyed it, be they Madrid or Barca supporters, and those who just like football in general will also have enjoyed it." https://www.espn.co.uk/football/bar...si-ronaldo-rivalry-will-be-remembered-forever Ronaldos talent,hard work and durability pushed Messi as far as any human possibly could but ultimately couldn't quite match and then sustain the best level of Messi Messi in a league format was a footballing God The most durable gifted player in the history of European top 5 leagues Peak Cristiano was just half a step behind
I think Ronaldo's peak season was in 2011-12. He scored a ton of goals but still had the speed, dribbling, free kick ability. Just an all-around beast. Afterwards he sacrificed the creativity to become a poacher and before he just wasn't quite as refined.
Cristiano Ronaldo completed 58 dribbles last season in Serie A https://www.whoscored.com/Players/5583/History/Cristiano-Ronaldo Robert lewandowski completed 22 dribbles last season in bundesliga https://www.whoscored.com/Players/29400/History/Robert-Lewandowski Mohammed salah completed 36 dribbles in the 2020/21 PL season https://www.whoscored.com/Players/108226/History/Mohamed-Salah How did a 36 year old poacher complete as many dribbles by himself as lewandowski and salah did combined? Just to be clear Anyone who calls lewandowski a poacher doesn't know anything about football Poaching goals/being a poacher are not one and the same thing Something Barcelona fans who suffer from PTSD as a result of several brutal assaults by Bayern Munich cannot understand https://spainsnews.com/barca-face-to-face-with-the-trauma-against-bayern/
I didn't mean Cristiano became a poacher in the absolute sense but he started being less of an all-around player and more of a in-the-box goalscorer i.e. more one-dimensional. I think in 2011-12 he was at his peak because all the aspects of his game blended together into the most optimal player. I do think if Messi never exited, CR would get a lot more credit for that season.
League peak Lionel Messi 2012 calender year End product 59 goals+13 assists 3361 minutes played(37.3 matches) 1.93 goals+assists per 90 207 shots 105 shots on target 50.7% accuracy All round game 151 successful dribbles 74 key passes 19 big chances created 4.04 dribbles completed per 90 1.98 key passes per 90 0.51 big chances created per 90 9/9 ESM team of the month selections https://erubik.xyz/esm/player.php?id=Lionel_Messi Whoscored average rating 8.99 https://www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2012/ Cristiano Ronaldo Peak:2014 calendar year End product 38 goals+13 assists 2385 minutes played(26.5 matches) 1.92 goals+assists per 90 181 shots 98 shots on target 54.1% accuracy All round game 59 successful dribbles 65 key passes 15 big chances created 2.22 successful dribbles per 90 2.45 key passes per 90 0.57 big chances created per 90 8/9 ESM team of the month selections https://erubik.xyz/esm/player.php?id=Cristiano_Ronaldo Whoscored average rating 8.79 https://www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2014/ Poacher Cristiano Ronaldo: Has created more clear-cut goalscoring opportunities (8) than any other player in the Champions League this season pic.twitter.com/h0uIvHaF4p— WhoScored.com (@WhoScored) May 10, 2017 Not poacher 🎁 Most clear-cut chances created in the Champions League this season🥇 Kylian Mbappe - 8🥈 Juan Cuadrado - 7🥉 Joshua Kimmich - 6 pic.twitter.com/Vi8MGJryYw— WhoScored.com (@WhoScored) June 1, 2021 The fact is in 2004 2007 2012 2014 2017 2020 Maybe not even in 2025 His game never has resembled a poacher or a one dimensional player Never been at any point since the start of his professional career Still though Barcelona fans continuously and mercilessly killing others with their 'logic' and erroneous claims
You only reply with Stats and misleading ones especially which could be countered by actually watching full matches.
I actually rewatched some of 2009-2011 Barcelona games, and yeah, CR7 of 07/08 would be reduced to the kind of performance 10/11 CR7 was. It didn't matter how good he was on the ball. He would barely get any touch. I think we sometimes attribute poor performances when really, it was a matter of being collectively outclassed. I think he suffered from similar fate in 2009, and even more so in 2011 (so did his former team Man Utd in the final).
Pre 2012 he was hit and miss in El classico matches More miss if we're being perfectly honest about it Hence the media propaganda that he struggled in 'big matches' even if by 24 years old he had already scored open play goals in multiple champion's league quarter finals(Roma 07 ,Roma 08 and Porto 09) champions League semi finals(milan 07 and Arsenal 09) and champions League final (Chelsea 08 ) I think some people struggle to evaluate him based on anything he did outside of la Liga Lionel Messi is a la Liga/Barcelona legend (95% of his legacy) Cristiano Ronaldo just played for real Madrid It's a chapter in his career albeit a very important one but NOT the only one his move to la Liga was earned on the back of being the protagonist behind 3 consecutive premier League titles and 2 back to back champions League finals There is a history after the exploits in Spain aswell For the record His best against Barcelona 09-11 was in the 2011 Copa del Rey final where he was MOTM
Man of the match awards in 2007/08 2007/08 Premier league Manchester United vs bolton(Home) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo on 9.36 (on 90 minutes). http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7298123.stm Manchester United vs Portsmouth (Home) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo 8.94 (on 90 minutes) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7210592.stm Manchester United vs Aston villa(Home) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match:Manchester United's Cristiano ronaldo 8.93(on 90 minutes) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7316219.stm Manchester United vs Newcastle(Home) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo 8.85 (on 90 minutes) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7172817.stm Newcastle vs Manchester United(away) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo 8.77 (on 90 minutes). http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7248356.stm Manchester United vs West ham(home) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo 8.77 (on 90 minutes) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7368652.stm Sunderland vs Manchester United(away) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Cristiano Ronaldo 8.75 (on 90 minutes). http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7157355.stm Reading vs Manchester United(away) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo 8.53 (on 90 minutes). http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7184824.stm Manchester united vs Everton(home) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Man Utd's Ronaldo 8.05 (on 90 minutes). http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7145754.stm Derby vs Manchester United(away) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo on 7.93 (on 90 minutes). http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7284957.stm West ham vs Manchester United(away) BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Cristiano Ronaldo 7.86 (on 90 minutes). http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7157432.stm 2007/08 Champions league Champions league group stage vs sporting lisbon BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo 8.44 "Cristiano Ronaldo was the difference between the two teams. I don't like to admit it but he is class, pure class" Gianfranco zola http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7115293.stm Champions league round of 16 vs Lyon BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo 8.23 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7272570.stm Champions league quarter final vs Roma BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match: Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo 8.31 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7320227.stm Champions league final 2008 vs Chelsea BBC Sport Player Rater man of the match Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo 7.80 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7406252.stm Missing BBC ratings where he was obviously/clearly the MOTM Manchester United vs Fulham PL (home) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...ws/united-v-fulham-player-ratings-1012993.amp 9/10 Man of the match Dynamo kiev vs Manchester United(CL group stage) "Ronaldo lights up the night at Dynamo" https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/oct/24/match.manchesterunited "Rampant Ronaldo in Kiev" https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsl...00--ronaldo-and-united-shine-in-kiev/?iv=true 2 goals+1 pre assist out of 4 team goals with some nice skills and lots of ball progression Overall 17~MOTM awards in the league and champions league With Whoscored/Sofascores emphasis on dribbles,shots and key passes its very very likely he would've had upwards of (or at least) 20 MOTM awards in 2007/08 The highest he had at Real Madrid was in 2009/10(17 MOTM awards albeit he only played 35 matches)
I'll leave my two cents. Since most of his career is documented, I decided to put all his match highlight videos into playlists, ordered by season. Here's the result. Personally, though I didn't see all the videos included there, I think that 2007-08 was CR7's best overall season.
@SayWhatIWant @Isaías Silva Serafim @lessthanjake First half la liga 2014/15 https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/...-Liga-201415-Winter-Break-Statistical-Roundup Cristiano Ronaldo: Has created more clear-cut chances (14) than any other player in Europe’s top 5 leagues this season— WhoScored.com (@WhoScored) December 24, 2014 25 goals+8 assists 14 big chances created 11 MOTM awards 14 matches 2.35 goals+ assists per 90 2.8 key passes per 90 1 big chance created per 90 Man of the match in 79% of matches in the first half of the league season Man of the match performances with 3 goals 0 dribbles 0 key passes Vs Deportivo Playing as a striker https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/8...iga-2014-2015-Deportivo-La-Coruna-Real-Madrid Man of the match performances (vs prime Atletico Madrid) 0 non penalty goals 5 dribbles 5 key passes Playing as a winger/playmaker With More touches on the ball then Luca Modric or James Rodriguez https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/8...-LaLiga-2014-2015-Real-Madrid-Atletico-Madrid He could do both if the situation required it Monster player Top 3 peak of all time IMO
Not even close. Top-5 peaks in order: 1. Pele 2. Messi 3. Maradona 4. Cruyff 5. R9 Also Ronaldinho, Platini, Zidane, Neymar, Puskas have a case over Cristiano. How he can be in top-3? In this case who will be eliminated from top-3: Messi, Maradona or Pele?
I'd like to see CR winning Asian Champions League with Al Nassr in a final against Al Hilal with Messi
Bla Bla Bla Blaaaaaaaah Make a case I dont care about names and random lists This guy said not even close aswell The one who made the thread about 35 year old Messi being superior to 25 year old Diego Maradona Really Bizarre guy
@Gregoire1 Dribbling peak vs Ronaldinho in the CL 189 - Cristiano Ronaldo completed 189 dribbles from 2003/04 season to 2008/09 (included) in Champions League. Break.— OptaJose (@OptaJose) May 7, 2020 Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United) 2004-2009 189 dribbles completed 4277 minutes played 4 dribbles completed per 90 https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cri...ein=985&liga=&wettbewerb=CL&pos=&trainer_id=4 Ronaldinho(Barcelona) 2004-2008 112 dribbles completed 2993 minutes played 3.40 dribbles completed per 90 https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ron...rein=131&liga=&wettbewerb=CL&pos=&trainer_id= Goalscoring peak vs Lionel Messi in la liga Ronaldo 1.065 goals per game(9 seasons) Messi 1.064 goals per game(9 seasons) Goalscoring peak vs Lionel Messi in the champions league Ronaldo 1.04 goals per game(9 seasons) Messi 0.90 goals per game(9 seasons) Media votes Cristiano Ronaldos ESM monthly selections 51 Ronaldinho + Ronaldo nazario + Neymars ESM monthly selections in their entire career combined 52 https://erubik.xyz/esm/players.php
My dear fanboy, I asked you one question - you didnt answer. Who do you exclude from top-3 peaks if Cristina is there for you? Answer, please. Give me please your top-5 peaks in order ansd make the case.
Dear deluded one Eredivisie in Cruyffs time was not even a top major league and today would be a semi professional level(even less) Honestly I don't care for total numbers(tractas thread) without knowing the history behind those numbers Peak Cruyff was the biggest stat padder from all the ATG players i looked at In the world cup(as I've already demonstrated) and in the Eredivisie as i will go on to demonstrate Johan Cruyff 1971/72 Eredivisie 25 goals+20 assists in 32 matches Johan Cruyff 1971/72 vs bottom half of the eredivisie Eredivisie is a 18 team league so these were teams ranked between 10-18 Vs MVV Maastricht 1 goal+1 assist in 1 game Vs Telstar 3 goals+1 assist in 2 games Vs FC Groningen 3 goals+2 assists in 2 games Vs NAC 1 goal+4 assists in 2 matches Vs DWS 0 goals+1 assist in 2 matches Vs SBV Excelsior 2 goals+0 assists in 1 match Vs FC Den Bosch 3 goals+1 assist in 2 matches Vs FC Volendam 1 goal+1 assist in 2 matches Vs Vitesse Arnhem 5 goals+2 assists in 2 matches Overall 15 goals+13 assists vs bottom half teams 38% of his G/A production in 1971/72 came against top half teams 62% of his G/A production in 1971/72 came against bottom half teams https://www.transfermarkt.com/johan-cruyff/leistungsdaten/spieler/8021/saison/1971/wettbewerb/CL 1971/72 is widely considered to be his best season Cristiano Ronaldo la liga 2011/12 46 goals+10 opta assists in 34 matches Vs top half teams 26 goals+7 assists in 18 matches 59% of his G/A production came against top half teams Vs bottom half teams 20 goals+5 assists in 20 matches 41% of his G/A production came against bottom half teams Cristiano Ronaldo la liga 2013/14 31 goals+9 assists in 30 matches Vs Top half teams 17 goals+5 assists in 15 matches 55% of his G/A production came against top half teams Vs Bottom half teams 14 goals+4 assists In 15 matches 44% of his G/A production came against bottom half teams https://www.messivsronaldo.app/all-time-stats/vs-top-sides/ This in the number 1 ELO ranked league in Europe Cruyff in the number 6 or 7 ranked league in Europe Cruyff was a heavy statpadder of statistics and not just G/A end product either He was a normal level player against every single opponent he faced in world cup 74 that was a competitive team(competitive with the Netherlands that is) When he played east Germany,west Germany and Brazil(top 10 ELO) in 74 He was dribbling at the rate of Gerd muller and scoring at half the rate of Muller The one you call a random guy or something LOL Re El pibe Maradona had something like 0 non penalty goals in the UEFA Cup and 0 assists/0 goals vs top 4 teams in his first and best season in Italy (1984/85) As a artistic player I prefer him to Cristiano though So don't get your knickers In a twist
I asked you about top-3 peaks (Pele, Messi and Maradona), why do you talk about Cruyff? Which player of this 3 was worse than peak Cristina (if you had him top-3 peak like you said)?
I think there’s a very good argument that this period of time (i.e. 2014 calendar year) is the answer for when Ronaldo’s very peak was. It was during that early-Real-Madrid period where he actually was combining his peak-level of monstrous goalscoring while still being a major force in terms of dribbling and chance creation. And that year was probably his best of the those years, due to the Champions League success/output and the chance creation arguably being at its very best (beyond the evidence you just provided of that, it was also the calendar year with his most assists—with 20). Validating this sense, that paper I posted in the other thread sees that as his peak, and actually sees him as having equaled (and actually, by my eye, very slightly overtaken for a moment) Messi in terms of value provided in that particular time. And that seems plausible to me. See below: The main knock on Ronaldo for that 2014 year was that he didn’t really perform particularly well in the World Cup. But his World Cup was only a three-match sample size, so I don’t really put too much stock in that when defining when he was at his very best.
Cristiano vs spain euro 2012 He only shines when the Super Team is by his side The results of Ajax and Barcelona are clear with and without Cruyff, and you can't deny it by playing with statistics Ronaldo is a system-dependent player and cannot be compared with players like Maradona, Cruyff, Di Stefano, Messi and Pele. You better understand this Cruyff dropped because he was tired.(After the heavy season he had with Barca and made them champions after 14 years) Those performances are better than Ronaldo's best national performances IM AFRAID
Just to add value to your post: Cristiano Ronaldo: Has created more clear-cut chances (14) than any other player in Europe’s top 5 leagues this season— WhoScored.com (@WhoScored) December 24, 2014