Yeah he's already a very, very good player and his trajectory is super high, you have to go hard to get those guys into your program if you can. I don't think we're likely to get him, but if he wants it and De La Fuente ignores him it would be a mistake not to give it our best shot.
You guys obviously have a lot more faith in the kid than I do. To come in and take the place of a veteran without ever playing a minute at the youth level or Senior level. Having no chemistry or cohesion whatsoever which is crucial for back line players especially. And especially if we start Mier. I would like to see him in friendlies before I come to any drastic conclusions but that is just me.
I think it would be more wise to rely on the guys we have. Not rely on someone who is not convinced yet if he even wants to play for Colombia. Instead of shoehorning him in and guaranteeing him a World Cup slot. Something that cannot even be guaranteed because of his one-time switch process being ratified with time constraints. FIFA is not really known to be efficient all the time in these matters.
top players are top players, just have to watch him play. regardless this is a waste since I don't think he's going to play for us
And you just have to watch National teams play to know that not all great club players become great National Team players immediately. And vice-verse. Most of the time it take months and years.
He just stepped in at a brand new club in a brand new country for one of the best CB's in the world for Arsenal away to Liverpool, away to Athletic and put on man of the match level performances, I don't think Davinson Sanchez is exactly William Saliba level, I think he'll be ok.
You also thought Cuesta could come in and eventually take Davinson's place no? And it has not yet happened. And a chance it may never happen. Playing well at a club does not mean an easy transition into the National Team.
I mean if you think Cuesta is the same level of talent as Mosquera then I don't really think there's anything to debate, you were arguing against Lucumi and how did that one turn out?
I never argued against Lucumi. Just thought he was a bit lanky and clumsy. And he is. I am just saying just cause a young player is playing well at club does not mean he is going to fit into a National team easily. No matter who the prospect is and where he is playing. Given the circumstances and him not having any experience in Colombia at any level I defalut to maybe him taking some time. Playing back line for Colombia and being thrown into the fire without prior experience seems to always backfire.
Yes who knows who fits in where and what weird things could happen. Talent on the field is what matters most, when you have a talented player you should do what you can to integrate them into your team, all the rest is just conjecture with no way to know. Do they play the same game of soccer in Colombia that they do in Spain? I think so, and in that game of soccer Mosquera is a very good CB, that's what we can actually judge.
But the club game and National team game are not the same. Great players sometimes fail. Which is why I would just keep with an old veteran who we know we can rely on instead of trying to rush in some new dude.
Great players sometime failing is not an argument to not chose great players in your squad. No one is saying he should be a starter first time he touches down in Colombia, but he should be in the squad and given the chance to start and be chosen. Based on his talent level you try to get him and then you integrate him, players have started and/or played after coming into the squad and training for under a week, it may not be ideal but talent dictates you ability to integrate, and the fact the guy integrated at Arsenal after weeks and has put up top performances is a good sign.
Mosquera is by far “our” most talented and complete CB in no universe would he struggle to come into the starting line up. let’s be serious
We just have to agree to disagree. That is not how it works. There is nuance to the National team dynamic you have to account for. There's chemistry and locker room issues you have to keep in mind as well. I would not leave off Davinson, Mina, Lucumi or Yerson for someone who has not been a part of the squad and does not even know if he wants to play for Colombia. I would even put Cuesta ahead of him.
You would just throw him out there game one of the World Cup with no experience at the Senior level. I tip my cap to you. I would never do that.
This is not how it works for teams that suck yes. The best teams understand that you have to constantly be bringing in good talent and renewing the squad, players who make trouble and don't go along with the plan should be punted, managers who can't control a squad and create unity should also be fired. You think Spain regret starting a 17 year old Yamal because someone would get angry? The game is the game.
You understand that club level playing away to Liverpool is a much higher level than playing for Colombia right? Club soccer the demands and attacks you face are much more difficult than playing against Venezuela or Iran sorry.
In the long-term I agree. Which is why I think 2028 is more likely. It is not like I do not want him on the squad at all. Just think it may be a bit foolish to try to force the issue immediately considering the timing of it all. Spain slowly transitioned Yamal in from youth National teams to trainings to friendlies and did not have to worry about a one-time switch approval so that is a bit of an apple to oranges argument.
Playing for the National team is a whole different level and a totally different vibe. Especially at a World Cup. It cannot be replicated or described. It is just different having the weight of millions on your shoulders and pressure from Nations that want you to succeed. Totally different sport.
Its different sure, and you the underlying thing you can judge is talent, pressure is pressure and talent is talent a professional playing against the top clubs in the world in the hardest competitions is trained and performs under pressure, that's what you can judge on.
He should be the first person chosen for the World Cup if he were to agree, because he's a big talent and the option won't be there. If you asked me I would chose him over every single cb we have because he's a potential generational starter for us and because we don't know the window if he's open he should be chosen absolutely and on the plane. Whether he starts or not is down to other factors, but due to the one time switch he should be given a spot no matter.
And Sini is better than Pulisic too. Same kind of head scratching statements that I will never understand and simply do not want to understand. But hey, if he is a generational talent that can come on in and start game one of the World Cup with no prior minutes at a Senior team level then he will probably be the best CB I have ever seen. And his brother who people say is better than him will be even better than the best. Cannot wait to witness it all.