criminal justice thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by superdave, Sep 27, 2021.

  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    I don't think we have a thread about crime trends in the US. We have some quasi related threads, but my search for titles with "crim" in them found nothing.

    Here's an interesting graph.

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    Two points. First, violent crime has been going down for a long time now. It's possible that ca. 2019 we reached a sort of theoretical lower limit.

    Second, you'll note that homicide and violent crime track, which to me is just common sense. Until 2020, when they did not track. So keep that in mind when the politics and policy of crime is discussed...the overall picture is still moderately improving, but the murder rate is definitely going in the wrong direction. And that's probably the most accurate statistic, because almost every murder gets reported.
     
  2. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    The firearms industry needs the narrative that:
    • Crime is rampant and the government (police) too ineffectual to protect citizens from rapists, murderers & drug dealers
    • Terrorism and/or Foreign invaders are literally on our borders, waiting to remake us as a Socialist Atheist Autocracy / Muslim Caliphate and government (military) is too ineffectual to protect citizens from the Chicoms / Al-Qaeda / ISIL / Boko Haram
    • Government fears law abiding gun Owners so much that it is going to start confiscating firearms (using of course, the military & police - but 99% of those guys are real patriots and will defy orders and placing Patriot-Americans into "re-education" camps - which of course pours cold water on the ineffectual government thought experiment, since they will be using firearms & weapons systems far outgunning the III% folks, not to mention a bunch of guys that have spent the better part of two decades dealing with far better planned insurgencies than these 01/06 clowns
     
  3. Val1

    Val1 Member+

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    K needs that narrative, too.
     
  4. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    Of course - Doomsayers like Karl need a "they" and the Firearms industry needs a "they" to instill fear and drive sales
     
  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    R Kelly found guilty

    Now do Russell Simmons
     
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  6. roby

    roby Member+

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    Two guys went into a bar.....

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  7. dapip

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    Only 200 million? What about the flagging and feathering?

     
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  8. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Brilliant story;

     
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  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    I will bet anyone a million…no, a billion internet dollars that’s going to become a movie or TV series.
     
  10. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Creating the art is the easy part. Mainstream America is not going to be entertained by a film or series about a Black attorney freeing other assumed guilty inmates and exposing a flawed criminal justice system. Make the bet that the movie will sell top ten for the year or that the TV series will last three seasons on an OTA channel, and I'll take it.

    This is the kind of TV series that would have done better in 1974 than in today's political environment.

    And there are so many conditions that would make it difficult to do well. How many falsely accused and convicted White people are out there to realistically be represented in a film or TV series? 'Cause if he helps, say, more than one Black inmate every couple of months, the sponsors are gonna have to pull out.
     
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  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    I respect the way you commit to the Joe Bftsplk bit.

    1. Unless he wears a cape or flies in a spaceship in a galaxy far,far away, yeah, it probably won’t be in the top 10.
    2. I’m 60 years old and I literally don’t even know of any network shows, let alone watch any of them. How is that a meaningful anything?
     
  12. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Get a room you two....


    Or maybe make this your private room, I'll leave...
     
  13. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    I’ve seen a huge increase of more and more movies and action series over the last couple of years of streaming TV, featuring and starring black actors.
    A story like the one mentioned wouldn’t go amiss.
     
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  14. Auriaprottu

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    Pip, the thread is titled "criminal justice". dave learns a lot about the world outside Fort Raleigh every time I post. Why deny him that?

    It wouldn't go far enough to be worth mention. I posted a few weeks ago about Equal Justice Initiative director Bryan Stephenson, who does exactly this. The only difference is that he was never a convict. His story made it as far as PBS.

    This isn't a comic book transfer like Black Panther, or an action film like Shaft (who, in the tradition of Black LEO, worked mostly against Black criminals). It is literally about a Black former inmate who went to school and was able to exonerate himself, and is now helping other falsely accused (and convicted) inmates get justice. Now, imagine yourself a White conservative or centrist, immediately dropping quotation marks around the term "falsely accused (and convicted)" and the word "justice". You type a synopsis any way you want to and mainstream America reads, "Crafty colored lawyer slips thru the cracks, helps other colored criminals to do the same".

    Now, dave is all excited about a potential film or TV series, and all I'm saying is that a better discussion would revolve around how such a film will be rejected/ignored by mainstream America. "Now, if someone were to make a film or TV series about this man, all the other channels would get a slight boost when it aired" is a better statement than dave made. I would have liked his post and moved on.

    I'm charitable, and here to help.
     
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