News: Crew Forum - 2012 Expansion Draft - Nov 23

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  1. NUFC Fan

    NUFC Fan Member+

    Apr 8, 2007
    Cbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Those darn French Canadians are going to steal one of the talents from the Crew.

    Draft is November 23rd (before the final, strange)

    Teams can protect 11 players. GA and Home Grown are exempt. I did not see anything about DPs.

    L'Impact choose 10. (no more than 1 from each team)

    Enjoy trying to pick your 11 this year.

    I'll go on record to say that if Tchani's graduates from GA he will be chosen. If not, Mr Meram may be going north of the border.
     
  2. machque

    machque Member

    Jun 5, 2008
    Delaware OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually 3 days after the final played on Nov. 20th in LA.
     
  3. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If it looks likely that our out of contract guys will re-sign, I protect:

    Mendoza
    Renteria
    Ekpo
    Rogers
    Gaven
    O'Rourke
    Marshall
    James
    Hesmer
    1 of: Gardner, Francis (I think either is worth protecting and am not scared to lose Miranda
    1 of: Tchani, Duka (Duka if Tchani is Gen Adidas, if not, Tchani)
     
  4. eboe

    eboe Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 23, 2006
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I, for one, would not be willing to lose Miranda. I would protect Gardner since he seems more all around than Francis, who is pretty much just speed.
     
  5. NUFC Fan

    NUFC Fan Member+

    Apr 8, 2007
    Cbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
  6. patbills88

    patbills88 Member

    Jun 17, 2011
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In no particular order:1 Mendoza
    2 Renteria
    3 Marshall
    4 Miranda
    5 Ekpo
    6 Rogers
    7 Hesmer
    8 Gaven
    9 James
    10 O'Rourke
    11 Balchan
     
  7. Psycho_Derek

    Psycho_Derek Member+

    Nov 18, 2005
    I would protect the 11 that are on the field at the final whistle when we win MLS Cup
     
  8. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gotta go with opening whistle. The 2nd half subs are fair game.

    I hope we protect the best players without taking stupid risks this year (see Brian Carroll).

    Could we offer Burns if they don't draft from us?
     
  9. Crew Chuck35

    Crew Chuck35 Member+

    Apr 13, 2009
    Gahanna, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Marshall
    2. Hesmer
    3. Gaven
    4. Trr
    5. Ekpo
    6. Renteria
    7. Miranda
    8. James
    9. Danny O
    10. Hammer
    11. Gardner

    Leave Mendoza and his hefty hefty contract on the line. They wont eat that.
     
  10. Psycho_Derek

    Psycho_Derek Member+

    Nov 18, 2005
    mirrors my thoughts, and if they do go for him then...meh.
     
  11. Psycho_Derek

    Psycho_Derek Member+

    Nov 18, 2005
    1. Balchan
    2. Hesmer
    3. Ekpo
    4. Francis
    5. Gaven
    6. James
    7. Marshall
    8. Miranda
    9. Renteria
    10. O' Rourke
    11. Gardner

    Assumptions. tRR will not be here next season - no idea how the contract thing works and whether when his contract runs out he becomes a free agent MLS wide, or world wide etc. tchani is protected by GA as is Duka.

    Tempted to protect Anor, but I don't think he has quite played enough to impress. I agree that Meram would probably be taken of who is left or maybe Burns if all they have seen of him is a highlight reel on youtube.
     
  12. KHT_Crew

    KHT_Crew Member+

    Mar 29, 2003
    Queen City, OH
    I would say you can almost leave Hesmer unprotected and cover another field player instead.

    Montreal has on their Roster:

    Wild Bill Gaudette
    Greg Sutton ("on loan" from RBNY)
    Evan Bush
    Maxime "Holy" Crepeau (okay, the "Holy" part I just made up)

    Bill had a fairly severe injury over the summer after starting in goal for them. When that injury happened, Greg Sutton was brought in "on loan" but sat on the bench mostly while Evan Bush took over.

    Evan Bush (25 yr old from Concord Township, Ohio) had .755 GAA in 19 games for them.

    Now, Montreal could upgrade to "the big time" but they seem pretty strong at GK already keeping what they have around. I don't think Greg Sutton sticks around and Maxime looks like 17 year old academy-type player, but Gaudette is an experienced former MLS keeper and Evan Bush was one of the better keepers in NASL this year.
     
  13. HardHatMike

    HardHatMike DOOOOOOOOM!

    Traktor Nebraska
    Aug 31, 2005
    Lincoln, Nebraska
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except for the fact that they could take Hesmer as part of a trade with another team.
     
  14. KHT_Crew

    KHT_Crew Member+

    Mar 29, 2003
    Queen City, OH
    Very true. After 15 years of constant expansion drafts, you would think I would remember that this year like in years past...
     
  15. BG13

    BG13 Member+

    Jun 25, 2007
    I say we make everyone on the team change their name to Kevin Burns, leave everyone unprotected, that way they have no choice but to select him.
     
  16. CrewBeat

    CrewBeat Be Massive My Friends

    Jul 27, 2004
    Manhattan
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Full details here: http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/content/2012-expansion-draft-rules

    Per usual, MLS isn't entirely clear.

    What was clear:

    1) Teams can only lose 1 player each (where was this last year?).
    2) Teams can protect 11
    3) GA players who don't graduate (we have 2 GA's: Duka and Tchani) are auto-protected.
    4) Homegrown players are auto-protected (Horton).
    5) DP's are not auto protected, but MUST be protected if they have a no-trade clause.
    6) Clubs may not make available more than three fewer (x-3) the number of internationals they have on the roster.

    What wasn't clear.

    1) What is considered an international.

    MLS says: "For purposes of this expansion process, for US-based clubs, any non-domestic US player would count as an International and, for Toronto FC and the Vancouver Whitecaps, any non-domestic US player or non-domestic Canadian players would count as an International."

    So, do green-card holders count (as they are non-domestic), or not? Hmmm.

    Anyway, assuming we think everyone intends to re-sign, and GC players don't count as internationals.

    1) Marshall
    2) Gaven
    3) James
    4) Rogers
    5) Ekpo
    6) O'Rourke
    7) Balchan
    8) Renteria
    -------------I'm hoping almost everyone would agree on those 8------------
    9) Miranda
    10) Mendoza
    11) Gardner
    GA: Tchani: he hasn't played, why would he graduate?
    GA: Duka: I fear he may graduate. If he does, then bump Gardner.
    HG: Horton
    -----------------------------------------------------

    I leave Will off. I don't think they'll take him, and I think Andy G is just as good anyway. Temped to leave Viva off as well. But guys who score 13 goals, and 5 game winners, and a reliable from the spot, don't grow on trees.
     
  18. Psycho_Derek

    Psycho_Derek Member+

    Nov 18, 2005
    How does it work with tRR and the contract situation? or is there no situation and I made it up in my mind?
     
  19. mmradio13

    mmradio13 Member+

    Apr 13, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    (Note: Because we have 7 International players, we must protect at least 3)
    1. Marshall
    2. Gaven
    3. O'Rourke
    4. Renteria (Int'l)
    5. Ekpo (chance he tests the waters overseas)
    6. Rogers (chance he tests the waters overseas)
    7. James
    8. Miranda (Int'l)
    9. Francis (Int'l)
    10. Hesmer
    11. Gardner
    GA (unsure of status)- Duka (chance he tests the waters overseas if he isn't GA), Tchani
    HG- Horton
    Last Man Out- Balchan (I protected both Gardner and Francis because finding left backs is so difficult and if we left Francis unprotected, we'd have to protect Mendoza. Plus we already have James, Marshall, Miranda, and O'Rourke defensively.)

    Unprotected- Balchan, Mendoza, Meram, Anor, Veeder, Gehrig, Heinemann, Gruenebaum, Rusmir, Williams, Grossman, Burns, Cunningham, Prim, Riggs, Sippola

    I'd expect Balchan to be picked. Anor, Meram, Mendoza, and Heinemann could potentially be picked. We pray that Burns gets picked (like Moffat last year).

    And don't forget we potentially (probably) add playmaker Ben Speas (UNC) and defender Chad Barson (Akron) to our roster next year as Home-Grown players.
     
  20. Crew Chuck35

    Crew Chuck35 Member+

    Apr 13, 2009
    Gahanna, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Im just hoping LA loses someone this year. Part of their success this year can be contributed to the fact that their roster remained intact this past off-season.
     
  21. eclipse02

    eclipse02 Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    We got plenty of D-Mids cant we send Burns and Rusmir to Montreal in a deal to avoid any of our other players being taken. I hate the thought of losing Meram, Balchan, or Anor among others. Marshall and Gaven are the 2 we cannot afford to lose.
     
  22. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we have 7, then we'd be obligated to protect at least 4, right?
     
  23. mmradio13

    mmradio13 Member+

    Apr 13, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe we're obligated to make no more that 4 available, which would mean that we need to protect at least 3.
     
  24. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unlike the NHL, I do not think this kind of deal is permitted in MLS (though I am not sure how might be enforced).

    Odd how LA and NYRB "avoided" the draft last season.

    In regard to only losing one player this season and then being exempt--well last year there were two expanasion teams and if you were to have been exempt after losing one player, there would not have been enough players to go around. That's why you could lose two--though I still think it would have been fairer to require all teams to lose a player before you could take a second player from any team, as some teams lost no players (see above).
     
  25. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm working on arranging to get to LA for the Cup, for two reasons:

    1) To watch the Crew win their second

    2) I want to stand up and ask Commissioner Garber a question:

    "In the 2011 MLS Superdraft, three teams lost two players each. In fact those teams all lost two players before any other team lost even one, and several teams lost no players at all.

    This year, with 18 rosters from which to choose ten total players, it's possible - even likely - that some teams who lost two players last year will lose one more this year while eight teams, including in all probability some who lost no players in 2011, will lose none again in 2012.

    Thus we'll be presented with a situation where, over two years, some teams will have lost three players to other teams while some teams will have given up none at all.

    In view of how patently unfair this is, particularly in a league with rather minimal rosters and artificially low salary budgets, wouldn't it be muc more equitable to have the three teams that lost two players last year be exempted from the 2012 draft or, at the very least, be given two extra spots on their protected players list?
     

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