Crazy Advancement Scenario

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Master O, Jun 22, 2010.

  1. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was reading either on ESPN or another site that the US and England would end up having to draw lots if tied.

    What scenario was that?
     
  2. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    If US ties Algeria and England ties Slovenia by a score 2 goals more than the US match, then lots will be drawn.
     
  3. TXSoccer

    TXSoccer New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe:
    If England and US both tie tomorrow they will each have 3 points. If the England score is 2-2 and the US score is 0-0 then they will each have the same number of points scored (3 each). The main thing is that England has to score two more goals then the US does tomorrow.

    This would require lots to be drawn.
     
  4. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    I believe that could happen if England and Slovenia tie 2-2 and US and Algeria tie 0-0
     
  5. Mglnbea

    Mglnbea Member

    Jun 26, 2001
    Northern California
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's say the US ties Alg 0-0, and Eng-Svn ends up 2-2. (or any combination that ends up with the US and Eng tied in points and the exact number of goals scored and goals allowed. (I think. :) )
     
  6. Bmoretiger

    Bmoretiger New Member

    May 26, 2010
    Baltimore
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The drawing of lots should never be a factor. It's ridiculous. They should replace it with tiebreakers like the number of cards or something like that.
     
  7. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone know how lots are drawn? Short straw? Rock, paper, scissors?
     
  8. leppercut

    leppercut Member+

    Oct 10, 2006
    SLC and Anchorage
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They should do PKs instead of lots.
     
  9. Brandinho

    Brandinho Member

    None
    United States
    Feb 22, 2007
    New Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If it came down to that pathetic scenario I would seriously recommend that FIFA just make both teams lose and give the winner of group D a bye in the Round of 15. Honestly, I wouldn't ********ing care anymore if they were to tie Algeria.
     
  10. PhillyQuakesFan

    PhillyQuakesFan New Member

    Jun 25, 2007
    Delaware County, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-...er-drawing-lots-england-us-set?cc=5901&ver=us

    I'm 100% confident that such a process would be entirely clean and not involve any sorts of cash-filled briefcases changing hands.

    (Actually, we might luck out in such a scenario in that we're facing England, a country almost as unpopular internationally as we are and a fellow first-world nation not as likely to entertain any sorts of bribe attempts from FIFA)
     
  11. JAV7

    JAV7 Member

    Jun 2, 2009
    California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thats why we should win against Algeria decisively and hopefully we finish in 1st place of group C. Because if we do, we will be in the same bracket as South Korea and Uruguay. If we finish second we will be in the same bracket as Mexico and Argentina.
     
  12. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Of couse there's always the possibility of USA winning 2-0 and England winning 4-2.
     
  13. clarkwgriswold

    clarkwgriswold New Member

    Jun 18, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't like the drawing lots thing. Once lost a tournament on the flip of a coin (yes, when the final ended in a tie after OT and shootout, they flipped a coin). I would think it fun if they took the 11 starters from the 2 teams that tied (starters from the game against each other) and created 11 1v1 skill competitions. Examples: most juggles, hardest shot, most accurate long pass, most accurate chip, fastest straight ahead dribbling, fastest slolem dribbling, most accurate shot, etc. How fun would that be and it would take some startegy as all 11 would have to take part. Before you guys flame away, it sure beats drawing lots.
     
  14. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Look, since FIFA pushes "Fair Play", how about the team with the least amount of fouls? Several teams come in to hack their way to results against better teams. Penalize those squads in the tie breaker scenarios. It's highly unlikely that two or three teams will have the exact amount of fouls after 3 games. It sucks to lose out anyway you do it, but that should at least encourage the teams that have fouled a lot in the first two games to try and get a positive result in the third match so it doesn't come down to that tie breaker.
     
  15. brandonplaysguitar

    brandonplaysguitar New Member

    Apr 4, 2009
    Minneapolis, USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's ridiculous and stupid.
     
  16. KennyWoo

    KennyWoo Member

    May 21, 2007
    Pasadena, California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The irony there is that we'd lose by one and Koman Coulibaly could have double-****ed us.
     
  17. jdiris

    jdiris Member

    Jul 5, 2009
    North Carolina
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Works for me. We're both through on 5 points.
     
  18. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    ok how about the "remote shootout" immediately after the last group match ends (assuming they're not in the same stadium at the time, in which case you'd do normal penalties like in EURO 2008), have each player select 5 players and have them shoot into an empty net from the center circle. Alternate between teams and play it like a penalty shootout... if still tied, sudden death, etc. Each team would watch the other shoot in the video board.

    (hell, why not?)
     
  19. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    true... but we'd have a much more harmless drawing of lots anyway. The battle for who gets to play... well... umm... does anyone WANT to win group D?
     
  20. StarvingGator

    StarvingGator Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    The Hospital Bar
    I don't think it's very realistic. The way we leak goals, and the way we're scoring, the chances of 0 - 0 are very low, with both teams pushing for the victory.
     
  21. clarkwgriswold

    clarkwgriswold New Member

    Jun 18, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    So, drawing lots is not ridiculous and stupid?
     
  22. brandonplaysguitar

    brandonplaysguitar New Member

    Apr 4, 2009
    Minneapolis, USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Better than some arbitrary spectacle of individual "talent".
     
  23. mcritelli

    mcritelli Member

    Nov 7, 2009
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I think it should come down to a rock-paper-scissors (best of 3) between the two team captains. Nice and fair.
     
  24. brandonplaysguitar

    brandonplaysguitar New Member

    Apr 4, 2009
    Minneapolis, USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the two teams are still tied after all tiebreakers FIFA president Sepp Blatter does the following at an official ceremony.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf6mNUnzdS8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf6mNUnzdS8[/ame]
     
  25. (TxT)

    (TxT) Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Tampa, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGYqSqf0yCY"]YouTube- Rock Paper Scissors World Champion 2006[/ame]
     

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