Covid-19: We don’t talk about 1-18

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  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Your statement did not do the same for Brazil, you did not say that some states in Brazil are doing better than Sweden and the UK in some hand picked comparisons, just that they are ignoring their President and trying to help.

    I said many US Governors are also ignoring Trump and trying to help.


    Why move the goal posts?
     
  2. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please answer my question. Then I'll answer yours. That's how reciprocity works.
     
  3. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Dude you are the one that said even in Brazil some states are deifying their president and helping (and they are), I said that in the USA governors are defying the president and helping (some are).

    How come I have to show the AB "proof" when you didn't?


    Is like you understand that Brazil is a federation of states, but then forget that the USA is also a federation of states.
     
  4. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
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    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    Argentina
    I had my last therapy session yesterday. Went to my follow up with my doctor this morning. I saw this while in the waiting room. When I was in the hospital this was immediately dismissed as an option due to the science. At that time I was okay with it. Finding out that it was essentially junk science has me pretty hot right now.

    I also learned that any improvement to my lungs/VO2 will be minimal. As a competitive masters racer that essentially means I’m done racing. Not the most important thing in my life but it hurts. Had the studies been legit I’d like to at least think I’d have had a say in the matter. My body my choice and all that.
     
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  5. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

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    That is what he does when he can't reframe the debate. Come on now, you have been here long enough to know that.
     
  6. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    AB is pretty good with data and analyzing information.


    He is not wrong in the conversation we are having, just that he superficially threw something there to make his original point stronger that IMO does not help his argument.
     
  7. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Jun 27, 2000
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    OSP Lechia Gdansk
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    Poland
    missing the WC in 74 was mainly due to this guy

    [​IMG]


    missing the others probably had other reasons... poor field maintenance and a leather ball were common in the 70's throughout the footballing world and were not the reason for England's shortcomings
     
  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    It wasn't "bad science". It is unverified data that is now suspect. The science behind the study was sound, but the scientists contracted with a private company to provide them with the data they used for the study and that company is refusing to the data to a third party team that was going to validate the results of the original team. Since the data can't be validated, the original authors retracted the study.
     
  9. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reciprocity. I will show you my work, but first give me the name of five US states.
     
  10. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    I remember as kids a guy asking something like that in a park. I’ll show mine if you show yours. We just threw rocks at him and called him dirty names.
    We didn’t know it was called Reciprocity:)
     
  11. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Dude are you really saying that there are no governors in the USA defying Trump?

    It was not a question on how well they may be doing it, In Brazil the Governor of Rio de Janeiro is one of the governors that most defied the Brazilian president, yet Rio is getting hit pretty bad, because of population density.

    So sure Rio may be doing worse than Sweden and the UK in some metrics, but that does not mean the governor did not try to do more than Bolsonaro.

    Shit he clashed with Bolsonaro, so much that now the governor is being investigated for corruption
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was having 8 year-olds playing competitive matches on a full size pitch common?
     
  13. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I am. Now name five states.
     
  14. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    I don't know what metric you're angling for, nor do I know what you'll shift to, but just to cut out the bullshit, here are the Deaths/1M and Cases/1M for Sweden and the UK:
    452 & 4149 for Sweden
    593 & 4175 for the UK

    Here is the list of US states below both those sets of figures:
    Hawaii
    Montana
    Alaska
    Oregon
    West Virginia
    Wyoming
    Vermont
    Idaho
    Oklahoma
    Maine
    Missouri
    Kentucky
    Texas
    South Carolina
    Arkansas
    Florida
    Nevada
    California
    Washington
    North Carolina
    Ohio
    Arizona
    Utah
    Wisconsin
    Kansas
    New Hampshire
    North Dakota
    Tennessee
    Alabama
    New Mexico

    States below the two countries in Deaths/1M population, but above in Cases/1M population:
    Georgia
    Colorado
    Minnesota
    Indiana
    Mississippi
    Virginia
    South Dakota
    Iowa
    Nebraska

    States above Sweden in Cases, below in Deaths, and above UK in cases, below in Deaths:
    Delaware
    Maryland

    States above Sweden in both, above UK in Cases, but below in Deaths:
    Michigan
    Pennsylvania
    Illinois

    States above both countries in both metrics:
    Connecticut
    DC
    Rhode Island
    Louisiana
    Massachusetts
    New Jersey
    New York
     
  15. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    I might be wrong, (Dave can speak for himself), but I think that was Dave's point... that the report had been withdrawn on one basis but that basis was, itself, suspect.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52929916
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext

    Some of the studies have started up again it seems.
     
  16. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Are you using Worldometers, or another site?
     
  17. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Worldometer.com

    Sorting tables is fun and easy.
     
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  18. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Jun 27, 2000
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    OSP Lechia Gdansk
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    a pitch of any size or condition was hardly available at any age... first thing we used to do before playing our games was clear off the broken glass from the asphalt... safety first!
     
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  19. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    It was withdrawn because the authors didn't have faith in their results. However, it wasn't because (as Dave said) "bad science" it was because of bad data. That's two very different things. Bad science is studies like the vaccines cause autism study that Lancet published where the scientist intentionally alters or misinterprets the data to reach a desired conclusion. Bad data is situations like this where the data provided to the scientists is bad (or unverifiable) and, as a result, the conclusions drawn by the scientists are not correct.
     
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  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All the schools I attended from the age of 8 had huge playing fields.

    They're probably built over by now.
     
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  21. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    Damn right. You didn't want to ruin the only ball you had.
     
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  22. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't disagree with any of this. I was also going to compare unemployment numbers and dates lockdowns were lifted, as well as estimated R-0.
     
  23. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can name 5 states that defied Trump.

    California, Illinois, Ohio, New York, North Carolina.


    Name me 5 states that defied Bolsonaro.
     
  24. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Go right ahead. I wanted to get actual data in the discussion. I don't care who wins this ********ing argument.
     
  25. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I feel very blessed and fortunate to live where I do today.

    The island I live on has 1 million people, but as of yesterday, doesnt have 1 test positive case on it.

    My province, 5 million, is now clocking only double digits of new cases, in an entire week. We have about 35 people in hospital in the entire province.

    In fact, our top doctor even made it into the NY Times today for how well she handled things.

    Thank you Dr. Henry for guiding our province through this.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/...z4ppU2H60N0M_xbw4js-KwFkOAgF0zQrsf4wbo4WSUhNY
     
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