Covid-19: Vax Americana

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  1. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    good stats - thanks.

    Ozlem Tureci, co-creator of the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine, is on CNN right now saying that the IP change will make zero difference to the supply of vaccines in 2021, and may in fact cause more confusion and slow things down.
     
  2. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    It’s not necessarily about having the technical knowledge or infrastructure. It’s the part further up the supply chain of vaccine manufacturing. There is not enough capacity up stream to supply additional vaccine manufacturing plants, even if they had the knowledge and ability to produce. In addition to equipment, vaccine manufacturing requires a lot of highly specialized, highly specific sterilized manufacturing consumables so support production. Everything from filters to filter out impurities, to tubing to route vaccines through the manufacturing process. All of this stuff is made by a supply chain that is struggling to keep up with demand as it is. And building capacity in that supply chain is incredibly expensive, and more importantly, time consuming.
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is all true.

    From what I can understand, the main advantage is that countries like India & Bangladesh have huge capacity to manufacture generic drugs which currently is not being used for Corona.

    But like you say, it is not so simple as giving them the trade secrets - there needs to be specialist input into the entire process for example.
     
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  4. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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  5. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    At this point we simply do not know. It is clear that a number of countries have the capabilities to manufacture the vaccines. How long it will take for them to get the relevant technologies and tools is anyone guess. The earlier, there better obviously.
     
  6. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

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    Those numbers don't seem so bad for by far the biggest province and also the most densely populated part of Canada.
     
  7. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    India certainly is a poor country and its being the 6th largest economy in the world doesn't contradict this. That is just as much a factor of it being the 2nd largest country in the world.
    India's PCI is roughly 2K a year.
     
  8. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
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    Ontario have 900 people in ICU. Thats compares with somewhere like BC, one third the size, with 170 in ICU.

    Ontario are essentially now at triage stage for ICU care. They are out of trained ICU staff to take more patients.
     
  9. crazypete13

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    We had had upwards of 5k a day as little as a month ago and they'd put a triage system in place for ICU beds, our third wave was by far the worst. Maybe not bad compared to some of the US states, but entirely preventable and mostly caused by unwillingness to deal with the actual sources of transmission (in sectors where the premier's donor class are from).

    The premier has been under pressure to resign due to his mismanagement of the situation (opening up when all the medical advisors were saying the opposite), and the minister responsible for long-term-care homes has been under fire for the deaths in that setting during the first two waves.
     
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  10. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    They're supposed to be passing China any day now in total population.
     
  11. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

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    At least you're not Alberta. This was from earlier this week.

    I expect Alberta to catch you in death count per 100k shortly.

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  12. bungadiri

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    The Kaiser Foundation's Vaccine Monitor is a helpful site.

     
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  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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  14. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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  15. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    f**king kids not getting vaccinated.. And that's across the political spectrum. That's going to stop the US from reaching herd immunity just as much as Republicans refusing to get it.. so stupid.. So stupid..

    I was looking at the covid tracker on NPR's site and noticed that we've pretty much dropped off a cliff this week... The 4th was below a million for the first time on a weekday since late January/early February.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health...d-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state

    We screwed.
     
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  16. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

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    The place that birthed Lyin Ted? Never!
     
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  17. bungadiri

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    The one thing that hasn't happened yet is any concerted work on parents to convince them to get their children vaccinated. We haven't yet seen much public information clarifying the threat Covid poses to children, juxtaposed to the perceived risk of the vaccine. My guess is that this hasn't happened yet because the data for it doesn't fully exist yet or hasn't been well analyzed yet. Maybe things will improve a little bit once that changes? Maybe?

    The other piece is the body of stories about kids who get hit hard by Covid. The general perception is that it doesn't hurt kids, so the cost-benefit analysis for getting your 6 year old vaccinated might not look good. But (and this would be awful) we start hearing more about grade school age covid long-haulers and the understanding of the value of the vaccine for kids might change.

    This is all wishful thinking on my part, and I'm still mainly blaming the people who relentlessly turned this into a political slap fight by attacking the science from Day 1, along with the suckers who swallowed that bullshit.
     
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  18. soccernutter

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    I'd like somebody to dive into this more. I am fairly sure this is not just Tuskegee related.
     
  19. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
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    Tuskegee is a gloss. In my previous line of work, I read a lot of studies indicating that mistrust of the medical industry among persons of color was based on personal, day-to-day interactions with healthcare professionals that generated the perception that there were two standards of care, with privilege as the dividing line.
     
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  20. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    The ensuing war will be entertaining
     
  21. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    Can confirm - worse at IHS when budgets simply run out
     
  22. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    I should have been clearer.. My "kids" comment was aimed at 18-29 year olds.;)

    Actual children, yeah.. As shown further down the screen, there is A LOT of work to be done to get parents OK with vaccinating their children. The "good" news is that we're going to have a lot of parents forced to vaccinate their children as covid will be added to the list of required vaccinations to attend school, so even if the parents don't get vaccinated, their children will be.
     
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  23. soccernutter

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    When I was working in Memphis, Tuskegee was brought up on a regular basis when talking about vaccines and shots and the like. Not constantly, but also by the students. It surprised me how informed many of them were about those trials (and I don't just mean that it occurred).

    But for other things, I was also wondering if there was any cross over from how they were treated in day-to-day life beyond the doctor's office.
     
  24. soccernutter

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  25. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Quite the opposite actually. As someone that is fully vaccinated, I want them to get on my lawn. ;)
     
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