COVID-19 and coaching

Discussion in 'Coach' started by elessar78, Jun 27, 2020.

  1. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    If we just stop sports all together, make it all illegal, then just think of all the harm and injury we can prevent. No one will ever die of heat exhaustion, no torn ACLs, no broken bones, no spread of viruses and bacterias, no head injuries, and no depression due to losing. It will be great. We'll be so safe and sanitary that nothing bad will ever happen. And the power to do this is within us. Sports cause harm to children. Cancel sports forever!
     
  2. rca2

    rca2 Member+

    Nov 25, 2005
    I am quoting a US Government agency's official website, an agency that scientists and doctors in the US rely on for their information.
     
  3. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    Ohio allowing sports to restart:

    Some excerpts from the guidelines:

    *Players, coaches, officials athletic trainers, and officials must conduct daily symptom assessments before each practice or game.
    *Coaches must (1) Participate in COVID-19 education
    *Coaches, volunteers, athletic trainers, and officials must wear face coverings at all times, and players must wear face coverings when not on the field orcourt of play
    *Coaches must have a parent/volunteer help monitor/ensure social distancing on teams of young children
    *Six-feet social distance must be maintained between individuals except when necessary on the field or court of play.
    *Limit time spent on activities where players are in close proximity for extended periods of time (e.g., repeatedly practicing corner or penalty kicks in soccer; rebounding drills in basketball).
    *Football, soccer, field hockey, hockey, wrestling, lacrosse, basketball, and volleyball are limited to one team vs. team game/match a day, but multiple games/matches may be played between the same teams in one day.
     
  4. TCRZero

    TCRZero New Member

    Columbus Crew
    Jan 7, 2019
    Anyone in Ohio figure out the education part? Seems like it is just a couple youtube videos, one of which isn't available right now, and a couple checklists...nothing organized.

    That 1 game/day limit is going to put a kink in tournaments. We play Fri/Sat/Sun in pool, but not sure how they will do the championship game currently scheduled for Sunday afternoon.

    I'm a bit torn on this whole thing. Governor's hand was forced by political and legal pressure, not actual data. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he doesn't shut it all down again in 3 weeks, as numbers spike due to school being back in session.

    Also doesn't help that ragweed pollen is going berserk right now, meaning some will think COVID is just allergies, and someone with both will be sneezing and coughing that stuff on everything.
     
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  5. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My allergies have been moderate to crazy since about... mid-March. Never had a fever, but still.
     
  6. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Same. ragweed gets me bad.

    Report out of Massachusetts yesterday said kids carry a higher viral load than even adults in the ICU (but most don't show symptoms).
     
  7. TCRZero

    TCRZero New Member

    Columbus Crew
    Jan 7, 2019
    Sure enough - our tournament just got cancelled for this weekend, due to the 1 team every 24 hours rule. It sucks to have the rug pulled out from under our girls, who've been working so hard to get ready to play.

    Other than contact tracing maybe, the 24 hour rule seems arbitrary with a 7-10 day dormant period. Of course, the tournament organizers were part of the legal action against the governor, which forced him to allow competition in contact sports.

    I do get that it is bad to bring a bunch of teams in from all over for 1 weekend. We've been doing everything the right way up to now, and the other coaches I've talked to have done the same.

    No one else seems to give a damn (protesters, rioters, Sturgis, evangelical churches, random guy in Home Depot with no mask, pulled down mask or mask below the nosec) - the whole thing just :mad::mad::mad::mad:.
     
  8. rca2

    rca2 Member+

    Nov 25, 2005
    The 1 opponent per day limits exposure to potential infected people. That is the heart of all mitigation strategies.
     
  9. TCRZero

    TCRZero New Member

    Columbus Crew
    Jan 7, 2019
    I understand limiting contact is the mitigation strategy, but this doesn't address overall load - ie 6 games in 7 days is objectively worse than 4 in 3 days with following 4 days off. While the 1st scenario is a hypothetical, some sports/leagues play 3-4 games/week sustained. You don't go to a soccer tournament every single weekend.

    That said it does eliminate the travel aspect of tournaments.

    I realize I'm just trying to justify so I'll stop there. It's just a bitter pill to swallow.
     
  10. rca2

    rca2 Member+

    Nov 25, 2005
    TCRZero, Saying that 6 games over 7 days is less mitigation than 4 games in 3 days tells me that you don't understand mitigation. Or maybe it is just a logical error. 4 games over 3 days is not 4 games over 7 days.
     
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  11. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    We are playing in a local tournament this weekend. It's in the press already "thousands of kids for soccer tournament".

    As you all know, I'm super cautious about this whole COVID thing (hopefully, I still qualify as that). Tournament is all local teams and our state is green. I've checked the area numbers and nearly all counties are in the good range. The organizers set it up so my team plays at Field A, but our next game is at a different field—so no lingering at the location. The danger zone that our hospital systems have stated is 15 minutes or more, indoors, unmasked, within 6 feet with an infected person—as long as you avoid that you are mitigating risk.

    outdoors with good air flow is a good thing
    • protestors outdoors, masked some distancing
    • rioters outdoors and masked
    • sturgis-I only vaguely know about this but outdoors (they had a bigger concern with indoor spaces like bars and tattoo parlors)
    • evangelical churches in South Korea are the main source of their recent surge

    ALTHOUGH aerosols are a new, big concern. This and droplets are the stated primary source of spread now.

    I think it's bad to bring teams from multiple states, having them stay in hotels and eat at restaurants. It's not the tournament play per se, it's everything else that people have to do to be in a tournament.
     
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  12. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I just watched half a dozen little kids pile into an SUV waiting out a rain delay. People are f'n stupid.
     
  13. jmnva

    jmnva Member

    Feb 10, 2007
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Our rec season starts this week. All teams except HS start in boxes for week 1 and the progress out at different rates, If things don't get worse games are likely to start in October
     
  14. rca2

    rca2 Member+

    Nov 25, 2005
    @jmnva Those boxes--carboard or plastic? ;)
     
  15. jmnva

    jmnva Member

    Feb 10, 2007
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nice..

    They are roughly 10yards X 10 yards marked off by cones.
     
  16. jmnva

    jmnva Member

    Feb 10, 2007
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Some of you will appreciate this.

    One of my coaches just asked for 10 cones per kid. I can't even imagine what that looks like
     
  17. rustysurf83

    rustysurf83 Member

    Dec 30, 2015
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I am using 100+ cones for my U10 practices....cones for individual water breaks/bags, grids for footskills, extra cone for rotations on “drills”, Rondos as now gridded and require at least 2x more cones. We have been doing well, we are about 8 weeks into training and the club has had zero traced cases. Did a tournament in a Idaho 4 weeks ago, 100 teams, zero traced cases. Few scrimmages and have a tournament in 2 weeks. I will say we are extra-ordinarily strict on things like masks to/from training, parents maintaining distance from fields and wearing masks, following local group size guidelines, etc. I think play this Fall is doable if it’s done in a smart manner. I don’t foresee us traveling across the mountains for games on the coast, but sure we could do local stuff without issue if it is conducted appropriately.
     
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  18. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Not coaching per se, but my O-40 mens team. Most of my area is still, pretty low COVID, except one county that has a college in it. It's kind of a shit show there. No outbreaks yet from soccer in youth or the adult leagues, but I think I'm skipping the game against Covid County United. Protocols seem to be working for both youth and adult. I think it's also building a false sense of security.
     
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  19. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    It finally caught up with the area. All of sudden several youth teams and school teams have Covid cases to report. Most within the past week or two.

    community cases are on the rise too.

    IMO, we've had a good run—Time to shut soccer down.
     
  20. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Second coach in our club has tested positive. Fortunately, coach in question was masked so who knows. State assoc has not shut us down. Only mandated no/one spectator per player and masked full time. State dept of health (we are in a low-incidence state, since May) contacted and they are low-key about it. They don't seem concerned about a super spreader event because of outdoors and coaches masked.
     
  21. Malabranca

    Malabranca Member

    Oct 6, 2016
    Generally, it seems like everyone wants to try to get this fall season in with the expectation that it is going to get dicey near the end. We just had a younger team get suspended/paused because of some positive tests. I am still toying with trying to attend a showcase tournament near Thanksgiving with my U17 team.. trying to weigh the pros against the many cons.
     
  22. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Keep us posted. Would love to hear the thought process that goes into it. Stay safe
     
  23. Malabranca

    Malabranca Member

    Oct 6, 2016
    Well, I ended up canceling our application at the showcase tournament a couple of days before the states decided that interstate youth competitions are a no-no. As a lot of the boys are out of high school seasons (they ended early), I have held some small training sessions to get them touches, but I am looking to limp into spring as soon as possible. Fingers crossed and the situations is better. We are still tentatively scheduled for futsal this winter, but that is not looking likely at all.
     
  24. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    Clubs in CA are playing each other, but they're going to Nevada to do it.
     

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