Covid-19: American Acceptionalism

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Yoshou, Jul 27, 2020.

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  1. Covid-19: American Acceptionalism

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    55.0%
  2. My Covid-19th Nervous Breakdown

    8 vote(s)
    20.0%
  3. Covid-19: Killing in the Name

    4 vote(s)
    10.0%
  4. Covid-19: But my Freedom!

    3 vote(s)
    7.5%
  5. Covid-19: The Final Thread. This tie for sure

    3 vote(s)
    7.5%
  1. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Maybe the bigger issue is that there is so much more movement of people in & out of cities than rural areas, and not that population density is the higher risk factor?

    It seems to me that the countries that have been the best at keeping the virus under control are the ones that can close their borders and restrict free movement of people, along with general acceptance of wearing masks.
     
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  2. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
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    South Korea, for instance, only has one border, and with a country doing the work for them of keeping it restricted.
     
  3. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hospitalizations in the UK starting to plateau. Maybe in the US the second derivative is finally negative.

    Weeks yet until the death tolls stop climbing.
     
  4. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Tomorrow will key I think for new case counts in the UK. If it's trending down again, that will be 4 days in a row I think. Granted it's a short time frame, but it's the first glimmer of hope in awhile that restrictions are starting to take hold.
     
  5. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's all ********ing useless if Boris and Rishi decide to start handing out meal vouchers again.
     
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  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently 4500 deaths in the last 24 hours.

    Good Lord.
     
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  7. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    basically true of every country. national pop density stats are only the start of any analysis.
     
  8. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah percentages aren't till grade 4.
     
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  9. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Wife is getting her first doses right now. Some of her coworkers have already got the second doses.
     
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  10. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Get back to me when the third integral reaches singularity.
     
  11. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    #8961 song219, Jan 13, 2021
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  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green said on TV that healthy people don't spread COVID.
     
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  13. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    which is factually accurate.

    give her a break - she probably doesn't understand what the word "asymptomatic" means.
     
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  14. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    No. That's factually INACCURATE. Pre-Symptomatic people (who later do get symptoms) are the leading cause of spread. Asymptomatic people (who never get symptoms) can and DO still spread the virus.

    It's wrong all the way around.
     
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  15. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1,500 UK deaths today.

    From Worldometers, the top 25 countries with covid deaths (broadly speaking, that would mean the most accurate counts IMO) are reported 838.52 deaths per 1 million population. That's 0.084% of the entire population of the world. If extrapolated worldwide, that means 6.5 million deaths already. If that's an undercount and the real count is closer to what Belgium is reported (1,700 deaths per 1 million population), then we're at 12-13 million deaths.
     
  16. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    nope. "healthy" = you are not infected, regardless of the presence or absence of symptoms.

    you seem to be conflating "healthy" and "asymptomatic". they are not synonyms.
     
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  17. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Fancy definition you have provided.

    I'd counter that you are the one conflating healthy with not carrying a virus. We live with potentially fatal viruses, bacteria, parasites, etc.... that are kept in check by our immune system. Hell, lots of deaths from the flu and covid are due to overly intense immune responses. Healthy is a relative state of equilibrium, NOT defined as testing negative for known disease vectors.

    But to(may)to, to(mah)to. Let's give the crazy the benefit of the doubt.:rolleyes:
     
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  18. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly!

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  19. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    "fancy" ?? it's simple i.e. = devoid of illness.

    anyhoo ... there may be more pressing things to discuss at the moment ....
     
  20. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    So this guy is the MI Senate Majority Leader, he's also the one seen palling around with the militia folks back in May only to change course when the Whitmer kidnapping plot came about. He's also big on herd immunity for covid, which should tell you everything right there. He tested positive for Covid. And well, him going maskless wasn't helping.

     
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  21. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Johnson and Johnson have completed the trial portion of their phase III trials and have released the first results with plans to release the full results by the end of the month. Johnson and Johnson's vaccine can be a single dose vaccine and uses a weakened version of the common cold that caries the genetic material for the coronavirus and does not require ultra-cold storage. The cost per dose is also very low, so, depending on the full results, it could be an ideal vaccine for the developing world.

    According to Johnson and Johnson, 90% of all study participants produced antibodies within the 1st month after the first dose and all participants produced antibodies within 2 months after the first dose. Participants also had antibodies present in their body 71 days after the first dose and, of course, as the trial runs longer that may get longer. The results released so far does not have the efficacy of the vaccine, other than to say the participants developed anti-bodies within 2 months of vaccination.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/health/johnson-coronavirus-vaccine-early-trials/index.html
     
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  22. Oh dear.
    The Dutch gouvernment is sort of very worried about the UK variety. If it succeeds in getting a foothold overhere we would face 170,000 new infections each day:eek:next month.
    Code red is now actual, but code black is on the chart.
     
  23. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I understand it, what they've completed is a combined phase I-II trail. Phase III is going on now, and hopefully will by done by month's end. It'll be that phase III data that'll show how effective the vaccine is.

    We really need for this vaccine to be effective. Single dose, easy to store, cheap. Fingers crossed.
     
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  24. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ahhhhhhh. Okay. I misread then. Thanks for the correction
     
  25. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It's the game changer, if it works. The one I've been waiting for.

    Janssen have a great reputation too. They are using their Ecolab vaccine technology for the delivery method on this. It's promising I think.
     

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