Apologies in advance for any errors on this utterly trivial stuff: Players from Soccer America's "Others to watch" who went undrafted: Forwards: Ryan Coiner, San Diego; David Testo, North Carolina MF: Andres Murriagi, Loyola Marymount; Trevor Perea, Duke D: Brent Jacquette, Penn State GK: William Hesmer, Wake Forest Players drafted in the MLS and MISL drafts: Hayden Woodworth, Messiah (1st in MISL, 31st MLS) Diego Walsh, SMU (5th MISL, 7th MLS) Chad Dombrowski, UW-Milwaukee (8th MISL, 44th MLS) Byron Carmichael, Marshall (17th MISL, last MLS) Mike Tranchilla, Creighton (21st MISL, 34th MLS) Phil Swenda, Seton Hall (23rd MISL, 26th MLS) Rob Friend, UC-Santa Barbara (30th MISL, 35th MLS) Todd Dunivant, Stanford (38th MISL, 6th MLS) Guy Abrahamson, Rutgers (39th MISL, 47th MLS) Johannes Maliza, Stanford (40th MISL, 46th MLS) I probably missed someone here and there.
Players in both MLS and A-League draft. Pat Noonan - NE & Charleston Doug Warren - DC & Charleston Damani Ralph - Chicago & Rochester Roger Levesque - San Jose & Richmond Ryan Mack - Chicago & Cincinati Mike Tranchilla - Dallas & Milwaukee Matt Crawford - Colorado & Charleston Like Beau, I probably missed someone.
Players drafted in the MLS, MISL, and A-League drafts: Hayden Woodworth, Messiah (31st MLS - DC United, 1st in MISL - Harrsiburg Heat, 8th A-League - Charlotte Eagles) Mike Tranchilla, Creighton (34th MLS - Dallas Burn, 21st MISL - Dallas Sidekicks, 36th A-League - Milwaukee Rampage)
Can someone explain why the A-league and the MISL have their draft before MLS? How many of the guys drafted by two leagues won't choose MLS? It's like the NIT selecting teams before the NCAA.
He's trying to catch on in Europe. Still, you'd think someone would spend a 6th round choice on him, sort of like the Raiders "wasted" a late pick on Bo Jackson.
Hesmer is a junior who will be returning to Wake Forest next year. He will be one of the top 3 GKs in next year's draft.
Re: Re: Couple of draft notes Yeah whenever I see a couple of passes in the sixth round, I wonder why-- wouldn't it give you at least some priority over other teams in the short term should the player unexpectedly sign? In any event, you'd think Hudson would at least try to draft Corey Gibbs again
Re: Re: Couple of draft notes Exactly. The Galaxy used to make that sort of pick all the time. Chicago "wasted" a first-round pick one year on Evan Whitfield but coaxed him home. He's been a productive player. Imagine if someone had "wasted" a sixth-round pick on Taylor Twellman in 2001 instead of leaving him around to be picked in 2002, when it was apparent that he was coming back. (Or is there something to this story I don't know?) IIRC, Woodworth is a religious guy who might be a good fit with the Eagles, who have an evangelical mission.
off the top of my head, let's say you're chosen in the 2nd round by an A-league team and the 5th/6th round by a MLS team. well, your odds of making the MLS team aren't fantastic. so it would seem that you'd be headed for the A-league. and maybe in anticipation of that they're drafting first.
Re: Re: Re: Couple of draft notes The Galaxy did the same with Seth George and Gavin Glinton. So not all of their allegedly wasted picks went for nothing.
Re: Re: Re: Couple of draft notes You're right about Hayden Woodworth and the Charlotte Eagles, and so yes that would be a good and natural fit. In fact, Messiah College had been a regular pipeline of talent for Charlotte in their D3 days before moving up to the A-League. But I imagine given the chance he's been given with DC United, he'll give it his best shot to make the team. And maybe he signs with DC United as a Developmental Player and gets loaned to Charlotte for some additional seasoning this summer with the hope that he's ready to be a senior player next year.
For a while, the A-League draft was held the same day as the MLS Draft, just later in the day. Although most of the A-League teams already knew the guys they wanted to draft (and, at least in our case in Indiana, we actually had two guys signed before we drafted them, which was probably illegal ), you could then at least look at where a guy got drafted in MLS and say "Well, his chances aren't real good there, and we like him, so we'll take him because if he gets cut by MLS, we'll have the rights to him." Well, you had two weeks, IIRC, from the time a guy was cut by MLS to sign him, else he became a free agent and you lost his A-League rights. We got Andy Parrish that way in 1999 when the Burn cut him and we had drafted him. The A-League, I think, for the most part, is going after guys who aren't realistically going to play in MLS (which is why only 7 or so of the 60 players taken by MLS were also drafted by the A-League), so it didn't really matter if they drafted first or not. We were mostly going after the next tier of guys anyway, and if you wanted to keep a guy's rights just in case, you could do that. But a really good player either (a) might make MLS or (b) might not want to play for your A-League team anyway (or his MLS club might want to steer him towards another A-League team that's closer or with which they had a closer working relationship). I think they also wanted to set it apart a little bit (I had a devil of a time convincing the local paper that they didn't include our draft picks on their agate page the next day----they had included the MLS Draft picks, and I couldn't make them understand that ours was a totally separate draft, so any PR advantage the A-League draft might have had was totally wasted). The A-League Draft's PR value went down a bit, as well, when they got rid of the Territorial Round this year. That was at least good for a "Local player drafted by local team" story, if you were lucky.
Maybe this has been covered before, but I'm not clear on how much drafting preserves your rights to players. What happened with Daoda Kante? He was drafted by DC (in the 1sr round no less), wasn't signed, but then went on to play for New England later the same year. Why? Or how about Leo Krupnik, drafted late by the Metros, who later had to use a discovery pick to sign him. Did they use it just for the money (because, in theory, they already had priority)? Finally, compare all that to Dipsy Selolwane. Selected by the Fire, not signed, but later played for the Fire, without using any discovery pick. How do you put all three of these transactions into a system that makes sense?
i know dc waived kante's rights i don't know what the deal with krupnick is the fire owned dipsy's mls rights basically, when you draft someone, you own their mls rights for 2 years
I know 2 years is the general rule, but it's not quite that simple. There's at least two wrinkles: --if you waive a player that's been signed, you lose priority and --if you sign the player and the league sells that player, you lose priority (the Adin Brown debacle) And apparently Miami's rights to specific players disappeared along with the franchise (maybe not too surprising, but the draft picks did survive). So that would be why LA had to re-draft Gibbs and HUdson re-drafted Kante after both had been drafted by Hudson in Miami. But in other cases, it does look like the teams follow the two year rule (i.e. will Columbus keep on drafting Christof Lindenmeyer ever two years like it did in 2000 and 2002?)