Countries not attempting to qualify for 2010 WC

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Justin O, Aug 31, 2007.

  1. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

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    So a record 204 national teams are trying to qualify for World Cup 2010. Which countries are not attempting to qualify? And by "country" let's stick to UN member states.

    I can think of a few.

    Monaco
    Vatican City
    Kiribati
    Micronesia
    Nauru
    Tuvalu (not a FIFA member so not eligible to qualify -- I think)

    Who else? Some other South Pacific countries I would imagine.
     
  2. SheffWedFan

    SheffWedFan Member

    Dec 23, 2005
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    None of the others you mentioned are FIFA members either, so they weren't eligible in the first place.

    To date, the only two FIFA countries not participating are Papua New Guinea, who withdrew from the South Pacific Games OFC qualifying tournement, and Guam, who got drawn against Indonesia in the AFC preliminary round, and chickened out.
     
  3. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

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    I'm not so interested in FIFA members not participating. I'm talking independent countries, using UN member state status as the qualifying factor.
     
  4. SheffWedFan

    SheffWedFan Member

    Dec 23, 2005
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    But you're not allowed to participate if you're not a FIFA member, so being a member of the UN is a moot point - there are members of FIFA who are not members of the UN (Faroe Islands, Hong Kong, Macau, Aruba, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Bermuda, Puerto Rico, Cook Islands, American Samoa, for example). You can even add England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to that, as individually they are not UN members, but collectively as the United Kingdom they are.

    But, anyway, to answer your question these are the UN member states who are not participating in the World Cup:

    - Kiribati
    - Marshall Islands
    - Micronesia
    - Monaco
    - Nauru
    - Palau
    - Papua New Guinea
    - Vatican

    Of these, only PNG is a member of FIFA; none of the others were allowed to participate in the World Cup - so its not that they "did not attempt" to qualify, they couldn't have attempted even if they wanted to.
     
  5. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

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    Well, they most certainly "did not attempt" to qualify. I donj't understand why you would dispute thjat wording. Either they did or they didn't. I understand that they can't qualify, and that that may very well be the reason that they did not attempt to qualify. That's not what I'm getting at.

    Anyway, thanks. I'm just interested in which countries are not participating in WC qualifying. FIFA membership means nothing to me. I just want to be able to fill in the blank here:

    "Every country on planet Earth is trying to qualify for World Cup 2010 except _____________."

    The list you give seems to fill in that blank, unless anyone can think of any other countries.
     
  6. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

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    The Vatican is not a UN member.

    Guam, while not a UN member, is a FIFA member that is not attempting to qualify. (They withdrew after the AFC preliminary draw.)
     
  7. The-FIFA-kid

    The-FIFA-kid New Member

    Mar 30, 2007
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  8. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

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    Thanks for the link! Those "countries" definitely don't fit the definition I was looking for, but it's fascinating nonetheless.
     
  9. SheffWedFan

    SheffWedFan Member

    Dec 23, 2005
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    Saying "they did not attempt" to qualify implies that those countries have a choice. To "not attempt" to do something means that they make a definite decision not do so whatever it is they're not doing.

    Only PNG and Guam can rightly be said to have "not attempted" to qualify, because they are the only ones who had the opportunity to qualify, and chose not to. This is not the case for every other country mentioned - they are not members of FIFA, so they were not in a position to chose to make an attempt at qualifying or not.

    It's just the way you phrased it... it doesn't matter really, I just wanted to explain myself :)

    And as for The Vatican... the other poster was correct in saying that they are not full members of the UN... they have "observer status", and thats all.
     
  10. wufc

    wufc Member

    May 1, 2005
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    So far, the teams that will not take part in qualifying are:

    Guam
    Philippines
    Brunei
    Laos
    Papua New Guinea

    And we could see more dropouts once Africa and North America get ready for qualifying.
     
  11. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

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    It implies no such thing. It means no such thing. I offered an either/or, yes/no, black/white choice.

    Either:

    A) Micronesia is attempting to qualify for WC 2010, or;
    B) Micronesia is not attempting to qualify for WC 2010

    The reasoning for Micronesia not attempting is in no way part of the question. If it's beause they cannot attempt to qualify, well OK. But word "attempt" and the phrase "not attempt" make no judgement or implication about the capability to make such an attmept. At risk of tooting my own horn, such little nuances of the English language have been a big part of my undergraduate, graduate, and professional life. The implication and meaning you are saying are there, simply are not.

    Anyway, here's the list

    - Kiribati
    - Marshall Islands
    - Micronesia
    - Monaco
    - Nauru
    - Palau
    - Papua New Guinea
    - Vatican
    - Philippines
    - Brunei
    - Laos

    The arguement I thought would stem from this topic was "what really counts as a country". But since that hasn't happened, I'd say the above are what are generally regarded as independent countries not attempting to qualify. (or "participating in the qualifying process" if you prefer.)

    And yes, I realize that many national teams attempting to qualify do not represent independent countries, but that's not what I'm getting at.
     
  12. glennaldo_sf

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    South Africa
     
  13. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

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    Oh....yeah. Them too.
     
  14. Breakwood

    Breakwood Member

    Mar 23, 2004
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    But we don't know if these non-Fifa members are trying to compete or not. They could very well be attempting to get FIFA certification in order to compete for the world cup.
     
  15. SheffWedFan

    SheffWedFan Member

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    I wasn't really arguing :) Just clarifying my position. No hard feelings!

    What I really find interesting is why certain national teams of non-independent countries are allowed into FIFA and the World cup, and others aren't. And there seems to be no real consistency:

    - British Territories (non-independent countries) in the World Cup: Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, British Virgin Islands, Montserrat, Anguilla
    - British Territories (non-independent countries) NOT in the World Cup: Falkland Islands, Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, Gibraltar, St. Helena

    - French Territories (non-independent countries) in the World Cup: New Caledonia, Tahiti
    - French Territories (non-independent countries) NOT in the World Cup: French Guiana, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Reunion, Wallis & Futuna Islands, Saint-Martin

    - New Zealand Territories (non-independent countries) in the World Cup: Cook Islands
    - New Zealand Territories (non-independent countries) NOT in the World Cup: Niue

    - Danish Territories (non-independent countries) in the World Cup: Faroe Islands
    - Danish Territories (non-independent countries) NOT in the World Cup: Greenland

    - Dutch Territories (non-independent countries) in the World Cup: Aruba, Netherlands Antilles
    - Dutch Territories (non-independent countries) NOT in the World Cup: Sint Maarten

    - US Territories (non-independent countries) in the World Cup: American Samoa, Guam (if they hadn't withdrawn), Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands
    - US Territories (non-independent countries) NOT in the World Cup: Northern Mariana Islands

    I wonder what the reasoning is for allowing certain non-independent nations into FIFA, and not others. I'm sure each territory has an individual story, like Spain blocking Gibraltar, Greenland not having a proper pitch, and France blocking Guadeloupe and Martinique because they like to cherry-pick the best French-Caribbean players for the French national team.
     
  16. wufc

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    Guadeloupe, Martinique, Reunion, and French Guiana are not territories, but actual departments of France (like Hawaii and Alaska for the US).

    It's pretty clear that many territories with like 15,000 people and under don't really have an FA that wants to bother with the high cost of being a FIFA nation. However, I heard that teams that accept donations and gifts from FIFA are required to be FIFA members and take part in qualifying, which will explain why Montserrat or Turks and Caicos are part of FIFA.

    I've heard that Greenland truly wants to be a FIFA member and it is the pitch situation that's been the road block for a long time. I hope they can get together $5 million or so to put in some Fieldturf. And I also hope they enter CONCACAF, just because I'd love to see a Bermuda vs. Greenland tie. However, I get the feeling they'd want to join UEFA.
     
  17. glennaldo_sf

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    Guadeloupe is a good example... they reached the semi-finals of the CONCACAF Gold Cup - beating Canada and Honduras along the way, but cannot participate in world cup qualifying as they are not recognized as an independent entity by FIFA.
     
  18. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

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    Right. We don't know. And I don't care. It's not part of my question.

    I simply asked which countries are not attempting to qualify via the World Cup qualifying process. I don't care why they aren't trying - if they wanted to try and qualify but were not allowed to, if FIFA has unfairly banned them, if FIFA fairly banned them, if their countries hate soccer, WHATEVER. I don't care. It was a very very simple question.

    I wonder if a French person asked me, "Have you been to France?" and i said "Yes, Guadalope" if they would dispute my having been to France.

    I heard the explanation you give many times, but I'm not 100 percent convinced it tells the whole story. I could be wrong, as it's not really something I know anything about, but something about that simple explanation doesn't seem right.
     
  19. The-FIFA-kid

    The-FIFA-kid New Member

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    they have qualifyed but will still contest the qualifying
     
  20. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

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    I take this back actually... the CAF qualifiers for the world cup coincide with the African Nations Cup qualifiers.. it's the same tournament.. just different number of teams qualifying ..... so therefore, South Africa WILL participate in the 2010 world cup qualifiers.. however, they will qualify regardless of their performance. :eek:
     
  21. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
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    there is an implication, intentional or not, whether it means it or not, of a conscious choice.

    It's purely an ambiguity of the way the question was phrased which can be (and has been) inferred in a certain way. The inferrence comes from the incorrectly assumed implication.

    To "not attempt" something typically implies a failure to do something, simply because attempt implies trying. It's quite a strong verb in that sense.

    Either way, it's pretty clear that isn't what you mean.
     
  22. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
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    BUT, how is it pronounced in Czech or Ukranian?
     
  23. Trident

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  24. monstersoccerfreak

    monstersoccerfreak New Member

    Oct 29, 2006
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    this is the most ridiculous thread i have ever seen in big soccer ....

    who the hell cares about teams not being interested in qualifying for the world cup ??? That's like me going to a club and asking who are the losers here that haven't approached a chick ?? I could care less ... my eye is on the prize: the hot chick!

    Guys ... get a life and start discussing something a little more meaningful!
     
  25. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

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    Who the hell cares? Well, obviously I do or I wouldn't have started this thread to gather this information.

    At risk of minimizing your insightful contribution to this thread, Mr. Monstersoccerfreak, why not stay out of threads that don't interest you and perhaps go hang out in the teen forum where it's all about "being cool" and conversations never leave the 6 countries people have heard of?
     

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