Could Cavan Sullivan be our Lamine Yamal in WC 2026?

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  1. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

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    Aug 31, 2017
    Missing out on a few minutes here and there isn't going to hurt his development......

    Making the bench and going through the game day routine with the first team is definitely a developmental experience for a young player. Making the jump to practicing with the first team to being on the bench with the first team is a significant step.
     
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  2. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

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    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    It was fun to watch Quinn before Cavan came on. I used to play up with my brother like that and he’d have to show me up like that too.

    Quinn is still young also and looks like a competent player.
     
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  3. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    Only problem:

    When Cavan was a baby, did he got Messi washing him in bath tub?
     
  4. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ill one up you, maybe he can be.........the Black Drogba?

    (its an older BS joke, but I hope it still checks out)
     
  5. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    That is very old one. LOL.
    But Yamal did have Messi washing him as a baby. LOL.
    Now Messi is in Miami, so we may ask him washing babies every weekend.
     
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  6. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Too late, Figueroa is Black Drogba.
     
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  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    FC Dallas
    Cavan didn't play for Philly this past weekend, so instead he just showed up at the MLS Next All-Star game and won MOTM. He was the youngest player at the event.
     
  8. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    yeah but we know him being at the philly match a key to his growth and likely wouldn't have been motm without that bench time in philly.
     
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  9. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
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    FC Dallas
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    United States
    Look how much it helped Dest to sit on the Barca bench for a year and a half!
     
  10. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    He looks quick/agile to me rather than outright fast. As with, say, the athletic style of Iniesta. (The usual caveat -- I am in no way comparing his future to Iniesta's, just saying he strikes me as roughly similarly athletically.)
     
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  11. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
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    United States
    The quickness will probably stay unless he gains a lot of weight while speed probably should increase as he gets bigger and stronger and older. Doubt he will be one of the fastest but what's say Messi against Christiano? one's quicker while the other is faster (I think).
     
  12. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Cavan's record lasted 2 weeks. :)
     
  13. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
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    United States
    The important part of his record was the MLS part. many "pro" teams and leagues have come and gone but MLS seems to be here for the long haul. Even saying that it's more of a curiosity because even a MLS team could just pick someone and play them even though they don't deserve it.
     
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  14. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    its not actually important at all its a cool publicity stunt for a struggling team. the union were able to get the narrative off their struggling team and calls for the owner to sell.

    this kid actually seems to be ready to contribute for his team...Sullivan isn't. So there is a big difference between the two.

    FYI the union did pick someone who didn't deserve it to break the record by a matter of days. His name was Caden Sullivan. He is a kid that doesn't even play for the union they just put him on the roster just to break the record haha.
     
  15. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Cavan Sullivan played due to a roster crunch. How many times do people have to tell you this?
    Philly's a victim of players being away with the Olympic and U20 CONCACAF Championships team. They could have nobody on the bench or put a youngster on a contract on the bench. It was a blowout, so they gave him a couple of minutes. For Pete's sake, get over it.

    If you're good enough, you're old enough.

    They had to say "first division" in that tweet about the NWSL player because Da'vian Kimbrough of Sacramento debuted last year at 13 years old. He's been in US and Mexico youth camps.

    I thought of this thread when this young kid scored a fantastic goal for River Plate this weekend. If you're good enough, you're old enough.
     
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  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, He's had a FIRST team contract since May.

    Official: Cavan Sullivan signs largest homegrown contract in MLS history - with special Man City transfer clause included in Philadelphia Union agreement

    https://www.goal.com/en-us/lists/ca...-manchester-city-contract/bltcafa3f6a039118cb
     
  17. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
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    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    You know it's for real when there are haters.
     
  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    There aren't many haters; just a couple of really vocal ones.
    And they're yet to make a coherent point.

    Cavan Sullivan, for those paying attention, was back with Philly II this past weekend.
    He had another assist on a goal by Gavin Wetzel. So I think we're at 2 goals and 2 assists in less than 500 minutes for Philly II.
     
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  19. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    totally agree people piling on this poor kid with this hype are doing so with the hope that they can trash him down the road.

    its the ugly side to social media
     
  20. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006

    and the fact he isn't good enough to break into one of the worst teams in the league.

    tells you a lot about where the professionals think he is right now.

    just a big reach at this point to say at the least this kid will lead the us in winning the world cup in 26. However, maybe ur right it will be interesting to see the upside if he doesn't you guys can give him the freddy adu treatment at 16 how he's a complete bust and then you will know who they haters are.
     
  21. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
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    FC Dallas
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    United States
    You're the first one I've seen make that claim. I've seen a lot of people here say he has a 1-5% chance to even make that team.
     
  22. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    No one I've seen thinks he's leading the team. A couple of people think there's < 50% odds he makes the team.

    I think the whole conversation is pretty silly right now because there's so much projection. But people like to say they've called it.

    That said ... You also really can't go the other way. Sullivan is clearly very talented. He actually didn't look outmatched in his MLS game, and he's not actually physically ahead of his ahead -- this isn't Cade Cowell looking good at 16 because his body is already 23.

    More importantly, this two years are big ones. He's two months from turning 15; at WC 2026, he'll be 2-3 months from 17. So many happens in that two years. Yamal made Barca B at 15 and trained with the first team. He debuted with Barca a few months from 16, and then exploded this year -- he just turned 17 this summer. He made leaps and bounds in that time period.

    It's not really relevant that Cavan's call-ups are only because of injury, international play and perhaps some hype -- because he's likely to be such a different player in two years. And if 2026 has a 26 man roster, there's actually room for a young prospect if that player is truly special.

    That said, Yamal is a winger. Youth plays really well at wing because it's such an athleticism-driven position, and because the defensive consequences of inexperience there or turnovers are pretty minimal. Cavan will likely get a lot of young minutes there, but he's a CM, and he's not a guy who will dominate with athleticism.

    A lot will come down to Cavan's work ethic and how his body develops. I don't know that he's going to be an absolute elite player, but if he works hard and he comes out anywhere near his brother in athleticism (or even better, a bit shorter and stockier without sacrificing quickness), his vision, tactical sense, ball control and passing touch will make him part of our core. The tools are already there.

    The only reason we should bring up Adu or Carleton is to highlight how important continuing to work on his game is.
     
  23. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    I mean, at some point soon Cavan is going to take a clear stance on the realness of egg sandwiches. He can’t duck the issue forever.
     
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  24. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    well you may want to check the name of the thread lol
     
  25. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    read the name of the thread...he is expected to be that kind of impact.
     

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