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Discussion in 'BigSoccer Polls' started by dark knight, Jul 12, 2006.
that game was before the wc in 2002, now wc that just passed..
I think you all are idiots. I totally don't think a club team could win at all. none of them. Perhaps get out the first round with an easy draw, but the traditional powers of Italy, Germany, Brazil, Arg, Eng, Holland, Spain, France, etc... there is too much talent on those teams. It takes more than a single 11 to win. After some injuries, suspensions, tired legs of the older guys playing matches with half the rest period as they are used to... The top 4 guys on each NT seem quite equal to the top 4 on the best club teams, but as depth comes into play that is where the NT will win out.
The top club teams are more watered down. Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal to a single NT. Barca, Real Madrid, Alt Madrid, Valencia, etc... The list of top clubs is greater than the list of top NTs. I say you'd need two clubs teams combined to equal a NT. Put Chelsea with Arsenal or ManU then maybe. Combine Barca and Real, then maybe.
Oops, you're right
I think he means 'NOT' the WC that just passed. Not 'NOW' the WC that just passed.
after reading all that i believe that if blackburn rovers were in the world cup they would have started of with better odds than italy to win the whole tournament. so yes it is achievable for one of the top clubs in europe, one of them of course being the mighty balckburn Rovers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a really dumb poll question. Maybe Barcelona or Chelsea, but these teams are garbage.
I think we were all thinking of all the mid-table clubs EXCLUDING Blackburn
Easily. International football is of a pretty low standard, teams have no cohesion, the passing and movement is generally poor. I think even the best international teams would struggle to finish mid-table in the Premiership.
on the other hand, any national side competing week-in week-out (as would happen if they played in the premiership) would gain the same level of understanding that give club sides the edge as it stands. The idea that a fully drilled and organised top international team would finish below bolton is a joke.
In one off games, yes, club sides would be able to take advantage of having played and trained together for a year or two, but it would still be very difficult for an average top league team to win the world cup.
Absolutely. There would have to be a fairly large slice of luck involved. Other results going your way... stronger teams knocking each other... that sort of thing.
But it's certainly possible.
Heck one side of 11 againest another side of 11.
A club side sometimes changes their lineup and squad year to year and development is at a short to medium term. With the country, the development is over a four year long period for the World cup finals and that includes the qualifers. Part of the development is with the clubs.
A club are limited, by budget, on who they could get and who is available and when they are available. The country does not have that finanical restriction with the international windows opening up for clubs to release their players and also preparation for the WC tournment. Country teams that has won the World cup finals are too much for more than most teams. Certain club teams - "Superteams" with plenty of World Class stars are ideal to win knockout tournments, as much as they are to succeed in a league competition. They are completely different preparation for different competitions. But then most of the top country teams have the same World Class players and enough time to prepare.
A mid-level team, may more than organisation and training. But they need quality and extra special players to produce the magic moments, even on the back foot. To have a solid defence is not enough, you still need to have a high enough quality in both attack and defence. How long can one team defence in 7 games of 120 minutes each and still have a clean sheet? you still need the ball.
A mid level team? Of course not. They can't even win their own league, so don't expect miracles 7 times in a row. Remember the countries that qualified, had time and different development and played enough games together to get to the world cup finals.
Hang loose guys.
Having Bolton or Everton win it would be about the same as ths US winning it. No, not likely.
Back in the 70's didnt the England team consist of mainly Liverpool players. If that was a World Cup winning experiment, it went horribly wrong, despite the dominance of those players at club level
In the 70s the England team was practically different every match. On the other hand the Dutch team of 74 consisted largely of Ajax players.
I don't think a mid-level team could win the World Cup, but a top-level team could do so easily. Even in the later rounds, some of the football in the World Cup was downright awful.
maybe santos of 1960's could be win.
A lot of the 'pool players in those days were scots so I wouldn't have thought so.