Cosmos Future Stadium Thread

Discussion in 'New York Cosmos' started by SoccerPrime, Sep 25, 2014.

  1. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This thread is for Cosmos fans to discuss the potential new stadium and for non-fans to post relavant questions and information.

    Trolling is not tolerated. Posts OT or in violation of BigSoccer policies will be removed and their poster warned/carded.

    Thank you.
     
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  2. OpenCupFan

    OpenCupFan Member

    Jun 19, 2014
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    @Bklyn Royals Fan wrote in the previous thread by this name:

    "The Cosmos attendance is frustrating. I go to at least 2 games per split season and the time it takes to get to Hofstra discourages me from going more often. The lack of a response from the NYS government is frustrating.

    First season I used to see a lot of Cosmos advertising, this season not so much. The Cosmos have a well known sponsor, a (small) TV deal , and quality players on the team. They already have a reputation for "re-building" players. Yes I'm probably biased with my opinion.

    What concerns me more than the attendance, is the ownership group, are they committed to maintaining this team in the long term in D2? I do think that soccer is growing enough that we will have a stable growing D2 league, question is when is that going to happen... You don't plan with 'hope'"

    Do you really think they don't have a plan? For some reason people/critics expect these guys to advertise their plans to all of us.

    To me, they haven't stated anything different than they have done - as I understood the plan was get the stadium approved and win the US Open Cup, boom boom.

    They won a couple of games in the Cup - but that's over now. Done till next year, next.

    As for the stadium, still no response from NYS - typical for NYS really - I mean, if the Jets can't build a stadium in NY who thinks it will be easy for the Cosmos or the ManCity's minor league affiliate?

    Anyway, I think the lack of signing more big names is a realization they are d2 and income is limited - especially with no stadium. Remember last year when they were being accused of out spending everyone else, to me they can't win.

    As for the stadium, they have publicly stated that they are looking at other locations if the current plan falls through. Not sure what else they should be telling us?

    The reason I am personally ok with being patient on the stadium announcements is because the second they announce something MLS will jump on it. Paranoia? Nah, prudence.
     
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  3. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wasn't the state supposed to make some sort of decision back in January regarding Belmont either yay or nay?
     
  4. jspech

    jspech Member

    Dec 12, 2013
    I've read in a few article, that the NYRA has to matter some major decisions re: all three of rcetracks (Saratoga, Belmont & Acqeduct) Saratoga is fine (summer racing there has became a ritual w/lots of pagentries).
    The decision is between Belmont & Acqeduct, w/ the idea of consoldating racing at one track (most likely Belmont w/ rebuilded Grandstand & a small Grandstand for races other than Belmont Stake) One can reason, that a Stadium + a hotel would be a welcome addition to what could become an entertainment destination.
    -Maybe they work a deal to bring a new Supermarket to appease the town of Elmont the few nimbies in the town.

    I truly believe that the Gov's (not a fan) delayed decision is purely political, election in November.
    Unfortunately I do not believe a decision will be handed down until spring 2015.

    - I would not be surprise if Acqueduct become residential or it's reserved for a large Casino & a Convention Center, a mixed use Stadium/Convention Center with a sun roof, would be wise used of development $$. This is were I'm worried, especially when that new team recently mentioned this site.
    Which is why I am asking this question.

    Is it wise for the NY Cosmos to continue waiting?
     
  5. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    For whatever reason building a soccer or football stadium in or near the 5 Boro's is an issue, while two new baseball stadiums and a new arena seemingly had no problems.
     
  6. Bklyn Royals Fan

    United States
    Jan 17, 2008
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I swear when I first saw this thread I thought the Cosmos finally got a stadium deal!
     
  7. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    It is really baffling to me all of the problems in getting this done. It certainly is not a money issue with the Cosmos. With the international invasion, popularity, and Cosmos connection with Emirates a stadium and training grounds would be well used. With Emirates clubs coming through as a home base and series of events to go along with Cosmos action.
     
  8. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think people will hear one way or the other after the elections. Nobody wants to stick their neck out for a plan that may be used against them in a election. Also the locals aren't too thrilled about the stadium plan and want something else.

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/06/26/cosmos-pushing-hard-for-25000-seat-stadium-near-belmont-park/

    http://www.longislandpress.com/2014...stadium-question-lingers-amid-belmont-stakes/
     
  9. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
  10. MLSinSTL

    MLSinSTL Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Mar 20, 2009
    Ohio - near a city
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a real question, so don't kill me over it.

    If the resident's of Elmont need a local grocery store, why isn't that in the Cosmos development plan? If the soccer stadium is such a no-brainer then I'm confused why this would not be in their plans. It would benefit the community and possibly change some people's objection to the project.

    Anyways, I'm just an outsider looking in and wanted to know opinions on the grocery store along with the other development....
     
  11. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Good point. There really is not much info on it so it is possible that may be something that is being worked on as part of a bigger development plan.
    There are a lot of people watching what is happening in Ottawa with that redevelopment plan for Landsdowne Park. Now while that is a huge redevelopment project there are others who may be looking at similar on smaller scale that would best fit a particular situation. That plan took several years and opposition from groups who drug it through the courts but they stuck with it.
    If a bulk of the Community and business partners see it as a Win Win smaller groups opposed will get squashed. Lots of ifs... but not out of the question of reasonable
     
  12. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    "No matter how brilliant your solution is, you will always have 25% of the people opposed to it"
    Bobby Kennedy
     
  13. MLSinSTL

    MLSinSTL Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Mar 20, 2009
    Ohio - near a city
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I really don't think I'm offering a solution nor is it brilliant by any means. It's just a question from the outside looking in. I don't pretend to know the first thing about the area.

    BTW The Bobby Kennedy quote is nice. I'm sure that there will be opposition no matter what the plan is and who wins the rights to develop the area.

    One final thought - I am sure an equally passionate group of folks exist who oppose having a local grocery and would go door to door trying to build opposition to such a project. ;)
     
  14. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. Quakesss

    Quakesss Member+

    Nov 16, 2013
    Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Buy the redbulls and re-brand them as the Cosmos? I mean you could change the seats in redbull arena to Cosmos colors, but the bad thing is that it's not actually in NYC like the Cosmos want.
     
  17. Cesar T

    Cesar T Member

    Oct 28, 2013
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good question - but the truth is, Elmont doesn't need another local grocery store. Elmont is considered an urban area and there are tons of small delis and bodegas in the immediate neighborhood. There are also supermarkets scattered around the neighborhood none more than 2 miles away via driving distance.
    I live in the town next to Elmont so I can tell you that the other plans that are up against the Cosmos plans would not make much sense to put in this neighborhood.
     
  18. jspech

    jspech Member

    Dec 12, 2013
    #18 jspech, Oct 7, 2014
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2014
    So you do not live in the Community, yet those who do said they need a supermarket. Also how many times have you been in a bodega, where stocks are limited, & product has almost a 3/4price market-up, as oppose to a supermarket.

    Lastly I sincerely hoped that the Cosmos attitude is 360degree different than what I precieve as a very dismissive attitude I got from reading your comment towards the people who live in Elmont.
    Elmont is not a Community filled w/public housing. It is Community of Working Middle Class people w/a mortage & being in Suffolk County, they are also paying some high property tax, they will have a say in whether this stadium gets built. They are also potential customers.
    Maybe I didn't get your comment. I would love it if you can clarify your point further.
    Especially this statement "Elmont is considered an urban area and there are tons of small delis and bodegas..."
    Every article I have read quotes resident decrying the lack of a supermarket

    BTW, I am speaking from knowledge facts as I have friends of 20+ yrs who lives & pay a mortages in the town of Elmont
     
  19. Cesar T

    Cesar T Member

    Oct 28, 2013
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure thing, allow me to re-state what i was trying to say. Keep in mind that I live in a town right next door whose school district happens to also be Elmont. So I actually pay taxes to the Elmont school district. I live in that school district. I pay those high taxes too.

    Supermarkets in both Elmont and my town are not within walking distance, that's why delis bodegas and 7-elevens exist. Supermarkets in Elmont are no more scarce then they are in the surrounding neighborhoods as in my neighborhood. My attitude is not dismissive just stating facts. I can drive to three supermarkets of choice, all of which I believe that residents of Elmont can as well. The plot of land is too big to house just a supermarket and the alternative is a strip mall which we have enough of in this area.

    When I say urban its meant to describe a middle class working environment which is descriptive of what my family is. Would I put down my own family? I don't want another strip mall in the area and like I said, I already have three supermarkets which I go to. Elmont itself needs something that will attract something positive. There happens to be a lot of crime and poverty in the area. Adding a supermarket or strip mall won't help that. A stadium that attracts jobs will.
     
  20. nanoGVSP

    nanoGVSP Member+

    Jan 31, 2012
    New york
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    My friend if you have 20+ friends who live in the area they have misinformed you, Elmont is in Nassau County. No where near Suffolk. I do agree the people should have a say as to what goes on in that land. The problem ispolitical interests are getting things mucked up.
     
  21. jspech

    jspech Member

    Dec 12, 2013
    not the first time someone has confused Suffolk & Nassau Counties. And I did not say I have 20+ friends, said I have friends of 20+ years.

    Cesear T , I think you are reading this need for supermarket as instead of a stadium. That is not how I read the need for a supermarket. a supermarket could very well be a part of the commercial space being develop along w/ the stadium.
    It's a needed amenity that would go a long way in Community relation. No on wants the Cosmos to run a supermarket, a national chain or maybe some local person may start business.
    The closes thing to fresh fruits I have ever found in a bodega are overripped bananas or 50cents. That's 1 banana for 50cents
     
  22. Cesar T

    Cesar T Member

    Oct 28, 2013
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    LOL I actually was just responding to someone's earlier post (MLStoSTL) about why the Cosmos are ignoring the need for a supermarket and I think some of the comments I made were taken out of context. This then became a convo about the need for supermarkets in Elmont which clearly is not what this post is about...lol
     
  23. MakingGoals

    MakingGoals Member

    Sep 12, 2013
    So let's get back on topic and to a very possible reality: If the Cosmos do not get Belmont, should they finally look elsewhere, especially in NYC, actually by subway access?

    Is your support of the stadium in Belmont a bias support because you live in the neighborhood? The Cosmos are not doing well at the gate at Hofstra, never did. It was a launchpad like v1.0. If the Cosmos move to the city, would you unconditionally support them, even if it is farther from you?

    I have spoken to "fans" of the Cosmos from Nassau, and many, not all, have shown tremendous bias for Belmont (for the wrong reasons - "close to home").

    If the Cosmos are to succeed, then they need to be in NYC, and fans need to unite and support them wherever they go no matter how far from their homes they may be.


    NY Cosmos need NYC subway.

    Waiting to hear your passionate point of view that is in the best interest of the team.
     
  24. Cesar T

    Cesar T Member

    Oct 28, 2013
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So my response is my own and is in no way meant to be indicative of folks in Nassau. I will start by saying that I went to see the Cosmos as a kid in the meadowlands while I was living at the time in Queens. My father played semi pro soccer in Flushing meadows park - soccer is in the blood. I remember having a Cabanas jersey in the 80s. Having posters of Carlos Alberto and Giorgio Chinaglia in my room and even had a pele lunch box (which I wish I still I had today!). Today I am a supporter and part of what I do today week in and week out is because I bleed green. I would go watch this team anywhere, even if it was Jersey. Would I be able to go every week like I do now if they were in Jersey? Probably not but I would still be a season ticket holder and that would not change. If they moved to Queens I would probably still go every week.

    Fact is it is almost impossible to build a stadium in NY. I will tell you that I would be willing to bet, that the other plastic NYC soccer club launching in 2015 will never get a stadium deal in NYC. I bet you that they will end up outside of the city and we will be laughing about the team being "NYC proper" - mark the post. Training facilities are already slated for outside of NYC.

    As for the Cosmos needing to be in NYC, personally, I don't think that's necessary. They survived in NJ 30 years ago, they can do it again. Sure you need transportation. This is what makes the Belmont location so ideal. There are already LIRR tracks there. I would be willing to bet that the station will be redone if this stadium is approved. Further, the stadium is right off of the Cross Island Parkway. There is really no need to cross a bridge or a tunnel if you don't want to.

    Why has the team failed to draw a crowd? While Hofstra sucks, you can't really blame the location all together. Its been all marketing. Their marketing has flat out sucked. In my opinion, they have tried to rely on the brand itself and the nostalgia of the team which by now has worn off. Part of their recent marketing campaign has been to bring to light the fact that they won the championship last year. That's a huge sell especially in NY where we sadly have no defending champions in any sport. Notice their #rallytorepeat slogan all over the place? Notice the spike in attendance to 6500 this week? Hope that continues.

    I would hope that during the off season there will be a stadium approval, purse strings will open and that this city gets plastered with green and white everywhere.
     
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  25. OpenCupFan

    OpenCupFan Member

    Jun 19, 2014
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nice story, some of my earliest memories as a kid are going to the Meadowlands with my dad and his friends to watch the Cosmos.

    Transportation - just a question - how bad is transportation really? From Queens? Brooklyn? Manhattan? Surrounding burbs? When I come into town for a game I go to the Bronx and then drive in with friends - I don't think it has ever taken us longer than half an hour - say 45 mins, I'm positive it never took even an hour. I don't see how it could be more inconvenient to get there from Brooklyn or Queens. (worst part for me is crossing the street from the parking lot.)

    From that article you posted with the audio link - I was thinking the increased attendance might be from people who had been pushing back their dates because of the weather. Hope it was better marketing, but didn't Stover say that people had to come to these last couple of games because they had been pushing back their ticket dates?
     

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