Coronavirus COVID19 - Real Madrid & Other Teams/Sports Megathread

Discussion in 'Real Madrid' started by Eddie, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    People in Germany are turned off by the TV rights discussion. Amazon, DAZN, Sky. You have to pay three providers thte same prices to watch an inferior product. The initial plan to show matches for free was cut short to just a few matches last week and this week on simulcast and then it's curtains for everybody that isn't willing to pay all this cash for this.

    The product on the field doesn't justify anybody paying the same price they paid back when these providers did nba, champions league, serie a, la liga etc. etc. Paying all this money just for Bundesliga is a bad investment to me.

    I'll be back on board with DAZN when the Spanish League is on, which sounds like it's going to be around the same time the NBA is returning. .
     
  2. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    For Germany ? :sneaky:
     
  3. MaxY

    MaxY Member+

    May 24, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I wouldn't watch Bundesliga even if it was the only football to be shown for the next year.

    Madrid, some important UCL and national teams matches is all that I can make myself care wbout.
     
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  4. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The kind of Bayern hatred that existed toned down considerably (they used to get pelted by objects at Kaiserslautern for example), and many popular teams became pawns or dropped to second division or even lower (Stuttgart, Werden Bremen, HSV, Kaiserslautern), only to be replaced by quick money teams pushed ahead like Redbull and Hoffenheim. Cottbus was also a "cultural" experience for as long as it lasted. The decline of 1860 München, that was a fun derby. Teams used to play against Bayern like it was the world cup final at times.

    I've grown detached from the League despite having amazing memories with it, mostly because the entire country has not only accepted Bayern's dominance, kids are born into Bayern fandom across the country now. You have to congratulate Bayern for their excellent work but the League is less fun to me now.

    I watched a documentary yesterday about indoor sport in Germany, and handball, basketball, and icehockey can't survive without fans. Even the wealthier teams can only exist for another season without fully operational stadiums, since ticket sales present at least half the income. If this goes on longer, pretty much everybody is going bankrupt and the Leagues go belly up.
     
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  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Can’t you say that about every country though? If anything, Germany was just a bit late with that. Just cuz you live in Germany you will notice it more, but Spain has been like since pretty much forever.
     
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  6. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    In Spain there is at least the choice between Barca and Madrid. Germany right now is like a universe where Barca and Madrid are one team and the next best is Atleti and Valencia once even 8 years or so.
     
  7. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Not really a choice, but yeah 2 is slightly better than 1. Only slightly though. Still same shit more or less.
     
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  8. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--


     
  9. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I don't know how it is in Spain but I can barely imagine a Real Madrid store outperforming an Athletic Bilbao store in Bilbao.
     
  10. MaxY

    MaxY Member+

    May 24, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    It's not slightly better, it's literally a difference between a choice and no choice.
     
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  11. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    For Atlético fans, this era under Simeone has been their best in several decades. And strongest in their history in CL. Gap is still significant financially compared two RM and Barca, but Atlético are a pretty good third team and a contender in CL.

    As for Bundesliga, Dortmund were top class from 2011-14 under Klopp. They are still a good team, but losing key players pretty much every year have affected them like with Atlético. Though I feel they should be less predictable in CL still and has lacked that mental edge since Klopp left which Atléti still retains with Simeone.

    Best era for Bundesliga in last 30 years was definitely 97-02. Bayern we're a big threat in CL and Dortmund and Leverkusen were pleasant surprises. Kaiserslautern also won in 98.

    03-09 had unpredictability with Bremen, Stuttgart and Wolfsburg winning. But unlike 97-02, quality at the top was missing. Strange days when Bayern we're in Europa League and got smashed by Zenit in semis. They returned to being top quality in 2009-10.

    PL actually became a global brand through great marketing in 90s when Utd had no consistent challengers until Wenger came alone. It was mostly a two horse race before Roman's oil money came in. Marketing is so strong that media and Utd fans would rave about how Fergie got the better of Keegan with mind games like it was an epic battle of equal powers when the financial difference in real was like RM vs Real Sociedad side in La Liga 2002-03.

    PL made sure to build a brand with what they had then. You'd know about Newcastle vs Utd "epic battle", Blackburn's win through various PL produced shows in early 2000s. I doubt La Liga even has a season recap in English when Atlético won in 96 or Deportivo in 2000. People sort of remember Valencia since they also were CL finalists back to back.

    RM with Galacticos and Barca's Dinho were the reasons why both teams got significant fanbase outside Europe( Messi, Ron era amplified it later) amidst PL brand marketing while no effort was made from LFP until Thebas came in.

    And to their credit, that paved the way for Chelsea and City petro dollars takeover and adding more contenders to the league though it probably killed Arsenal as a contender too with them becoming 4th or 5th choice for players moving to PL as opposed to 2nd behind Utd during first 6-7 years of Wenger. Arsenal never had the financial power of Fergie's Utd, but weren't like 5th in PL wagelist like now.
     
  12. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The Hitzfeld Dortmund team that won the CL is often forgotten but that was a fantastic team too.
     
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  13. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Euroleague Basketball had their meeting with the players. The vast majority of the players doesn't want to play, and this was their standpoint in the meeting. Results expected tomorrow.

    Barca actually put together the most expensive basketball team in european history for a cancelled season. :speechless:
     
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  14. RaMaaa

    RaMaaa Member+

    Feb 3, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    easiest decision ever. No choice but to cancel season.
     
  15. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #2940 4x4s, May 24, 2020 at 7:38 AM
    Last edited: May 24, 2020 at 8:04 AM
    Apparently it will go down to the teams but only 5 want to play, amongst them Barca and Real Madrid.

    Some players are being downright disrespectful though. My honest opinion. Not being sure about the health issues is ok, but refusing to work because "basketball is not important" sucks to me. At some point, what is important?
     
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  16. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Thüringen's Prime Minister who belongs to Die Linke/The Left party, wants to remove all limits and return to how things were before starting at the 6th of June. Meaning, no masks, no limits, everything is open. The response is has been as expected. Extremist and protesters celebrating, everybody else responding with scepticism and bewilderment.
     
  17. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Watching Mainz v Leipzig now. Great (fake) crowd noise. Makes it easier to watch for sure.

    Curious to see what happens if/when Mainz scores...
     
  18. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
     
  19. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  20. Eddie

    Eddie Member+

    Oct 19, 2005
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Some leagues already meddle with color contrasts to make the grass look greener so adding "fake noise" is the next step. I can't recall which Spanish broadcaster it was but they removed during the CDR final between Farca and Bilbao they removed the whistling and booing during the Spanish anthem and replaced it with regular stadium noise.
     
  21. hala_madrid722

    hala_madrid722 Member+

    Jan 10, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Pumping in crowd noise is absolutely necessary imo. Makes it much better.
     
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  22. Doni

    Doni Member+

    Dec 4, 2010
    London
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    This is so weird. The fake noise to me is even weirder than the empty stadiums themselves.
     
  23. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I feel like this is something that will piss off fangroups making them feel replaceable.
     
  24. Ahmadi8

    Ahmadi8 Member+

    Apr 14, 2005
    Bahrain
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    Yea I can imagine the same. Some are already pushing the narrative on how clubs should appreciate the fans more. Making them feel replaceable will piss them off.
     
  25. natenate101

    natenate101 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 16, 2006
    California, US
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The clubs still need the money they spend on gear and tickets and food. They won’t be replaced. If they just think logically about it and control their emotions it isn’t that bad. But they are usually pretty extreme that’s asking a lot.
     

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