NSR: Coronavirus: A global Pandemic.

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  1. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    New cases is kind of a bad indicator as it has been limited by the number of tests. It’s hard to decipher whether the plateau in new cases is because of the spread has slowed/plateaued, or if it is because the number of tests has slowed/plateaued.. The only real indicators are the number of hospitalizations (only about 1/4 of states report this) and deaths, which does seem to have plateaued/peaked in the last few days.
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    I guess we just have to be careful exactly what we mean in each case?

    IIRC what 538 is doing (in simplistic terms) is using polling averages as samples to try to estimate the total population. Obviously such sampling has a risk of error. But if the samples (polls) show the state as D+5 it is unlikely that the polling error is so high that the Ds are losing the state. That overall methodology is non-controversial to that extent. Of course all his secret sauce is in the detail of his model. How much should we weight each pollster? What about recency etc?

    Making predictions from such models will always be the tricky part, especially if there is an event in the final days which might significantly change the nature of the population (Comey)

    If you ask me the issues of 2016 had more to do with forecasting than they did to do with whether we can estimate Trump's support. Indeed the polling and forecasting in 2018 was very good.
     
  3. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

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    We can still derive trends from new cases, unless you're willing to say that the proportionality between tests and confirmed cases is pretty much exactly and always 1:1.
     
  4. almango

    almango Member+

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    You are right to be sceptical of what the Chinese Government is telling you but they did give enough information about the disease in January to enable us (Australia) to limit spread from people returning from China (we have a fairly large Chinese population here, both permanent and transient who tend to travel in January/February). It's a shame that the US Government had their heads in the sand about it and kept saying it wasn't a problem for them as people travelling from the USA were the largest external source of Covid 19 infections in Australia.
     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    They also provided a lot of technical data which enabled other countries to produce tests very quickly
     
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  6. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    Would be correct to say that for Australia's fight against the coronavirus, China was a more honest and better neighbor than was the United States?
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    There is not much reason to think information from the Trump regime was any better than China that is for sure

    For example, we know that the major airlines already suspended operations before Trump announced his supposed ban.
     
  8. celito

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    You know the name ?
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Here we go

    Mango just re-tweeted an OANN tweet that contains the hashtag #FireFauci.
     
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  10. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

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    These wingnuts want to fire the one guy that actually believes in science.....[emoji36]
     
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  11. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    Well, that was expected. Fauci did not try to hide and cover up for him this am with Jake Tapper.
     
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  12. Walia Ibex

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    Fauci did say some areas of the US economy can reopen by May. Regardless the nation will be fully reopen by mid June. After that we Test, Trace and isolate.

    Many posters on this thread want the economy to be shutdown for 12-18 months. No way the country can wait that long to be open. Schools, businesses, churches need to be open again. Memorial Day at the earliest. If you are sick stay home. If you are old. Stay home. Board up and guard the nursing homes. Let the rest get back to living.
     
  13. Timon19

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    Science is a process, not a god.
     
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  14. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    Fauci currently has an 85% approval rating. If Trump fires him, orders a national re-opening, and then the virus takes off, that would be one of the great all-time political blunders. Not to mention a human tragedy.
     
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  15. Paul Berry

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    :thumbsup:
     
  16. chad

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    And in other news, my town just had its biggest jump in cases yet.

    Let's all go back to work!
     
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  17. Deadtigers

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    Can you site these many posters or are they voices in your head?
     
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  18. JamesA

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  19. almango

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    This happens in my country as well and is put down to a reduction in testing over the weekend.
     
  20. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    We're talking about recorded deaths.
     
  21. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

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    Put up or shut up. Name them.

    Edit: I see @Deadtigers beat me to the punch.
     
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  22. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    I will stay north of Isabella on my walks.
     
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  23. Yoshou

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    #10147 Yoshou, Apr 12, 2020
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    Same concept. The speculation is that the deaths don’t actually slowdown over the weekend, they just aren’t being reported until Monday or Tuesday
     
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  24. JohnR

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    Gotcha. It's funny how people still observe weekends. My company is of course now entirely virtual, and the nature of the work is for longish project times, not "this needs to be down by tomorrow." I still don't hear much from people on weekends, there is a good chance if I send a Friday PM email I won't receive an answer until Monday AM.
     
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  25. usscouse

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    I don't remember the 60s.
     
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  26. almango

    almango Member+

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    I suspect the problem in the US case was not a deliberate attempt at dishonesty, but an unwillingness to recognise reality by your leaders. China was very secretive in Nov/Dec when it first hit them, but their attempts to supress the spread were very strong. It's only when those attempts fell short that they started to warn others and they were pretty quick to share information. As far as this pandemic goes, if we need outside help I suspect we are more likely to get it from China than the USA. As far as economic recovery goes, probably the same. China is our largest trading partner by a good distance, accounting for approx. triple the trade we have with the USA (3rd on our list).
     
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