NSR: Coronavirus: A global Pandemic.

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will hereby concede that Fox is better than North Korean state television.

    Not sure about OANN. ;)
     
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  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Yeah that one would be close. But since OANN hasn't yet reported on Trump shooting 18 for 18 holes, I gotta give it the credibility edge.
     
  4. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Of course Trump did....the only reason Fauci still has a job today is because its prime time for the pandemic....Fauci will be gone once the dust settles
     
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  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My particular store could switch to appointment only.

    Also, for the record, the final national chain store in our mall just relocated elsewhere, so we literally have thousands of parking spaces.
     
  6. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Okay, we're talking past one another. You're talking about your particular case, and I'm talking about the "on average" situation.
     
  7. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Was this intentional?:ROFLMAO:


    Mike Leavitt is kinda sensible. However, he's in on the take too. Getting boat-loads of money for his access to political decision-making and decision-makers. Good quote, but he'd be as fearless as Gen. Mattis in condemning any Republican malfeasance.
     
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  8. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a big fan; but I've never seen them (or any of Robert Fripp's other Projekts (sic) ) live because they're way too expensive.
     
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  9. LastBoyscout

    LastBoyscout Member+

    Mar 6, 2013

    Well some of the risk factors that make the top of the list other than high age are obesity, high blood pressure and other coronary diseases and diabetes. All things where the US is #1 or close to #1 in the world. So their at risk population might be higher than one would think at first glance.
     
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  10. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    Um. Yeah. Baseball and elections and mortality and divorce and car accidents and someone hitting free throws and almost anything behaves probabilistically. The mechanics of how probabilities are assigned or are changed may be different, but at the end of the day an x% chance is an x% chance

    I find the assumption that they don’t behave probabilistically to be indicative of someone who doesn’t understand probability as much as he/she thinks.
     
  11. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    U.S. death figures down sharply today, after being down less sharply yesterday. That is great. On the other hand, the leading indicator of serious/critical cases keeps rising, so this seems more like a lull than having reached the true peak. Still, there's no question that the growth rate is leveling. Social distancing is doing its thing.
     
  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Not its nightly personalities who get all the ratings. About on par with NK.

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  13. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    In fairness, Fox News has a solid news division, with the likes of Chris Wallace and for a time, Shep Smith a while back. Problem is, it's the Fox and Friends, Hannity, Ingraham, Dobbs, Carlson (who always looks like he's constipated) and Jenanine Pirro (who is probably upset she hasn't groped a waiter in weeks) and the opinion shows that are their star. The other issue is it's Murdoch being Murdoch, as any Liverpool fan will tell you.

    That said, Fox is not very high on my list of news sources compared to others. But I also don't watch cable news unless I absolutely have to or if I need background noise.
     
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  14. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Perhaps it was me substituting "stochastically" with "probabalistically", which is common. So, oops, I'm sorry.

    However, the broader point is that you're comparing very unlike things, one of which relies on skill rather than randomness, another on completely human decisions about preferences and treating them similarly. Let's leave aside that baseball, over the long term, doesn't allow for a range of success in batting over about 35%, and that is exceptionally good; while elections in this particular nation, at the national level - if we're only looking at popular votes - overwhelmingly settle into a band between .4 and .6.
     
  15. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Two things:

    1. I gave multiple possible explanations, including mutation. Abbott itself acknowledges that:


    https://www.molecular.abbott/us/en/products/infectious-disease/RealTime-SARS-CoV-2-Assay


    Detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA may be affected by sample collection methods, patient factors (eg, presence of symptoms), and/or stage of infection.
    False-negative results may arise from degradation of the viral RNA during shipping/storage.
    The impacts of vaccines, antiviral therapeutics, antibiotics, chemotherapeutic or immunosuppressant drugs have not been evaluated.
    As with any molecular test, mutations within the target regions of Abbott RealTime SARS-CoV-2 assay could affect primer and/or probe binding resulting in failure to detect the presence of virus.


    2. Virus has mutated already:


    https://www.news4jax.com/health/2020/03/31/experts-covid-19-has-mutated-and-is-still-changing/

    Maybe not enough to change effects or treatment, but could that affect how a specific detects it? Just saying it’s a possibility.
     
  16. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    Winds blow in all sorts of directions here when we talk about risk. One part is risk of infection. The other part is risk of death once infected. Health conditions play into the latter. As does the quality of health care/resources available. The former us all sorts of things: household size, the nature of public life in an area (including density), occupational risks (and those of householders), transportation options, etc.

    I’m not sure we can measure risk without considering both factors. A healthy person could have a 10% chance of infection, and a 1% chance of ending up in a vent if they do. An unhealthy person in living in isolation may have a .2% chance of infection, 50% chance of ventilation if infected. They both have the same cumulative odds of tying up a ventilator.
     
  17. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    BTW:

    30,003 new cases Saturday.
    25,568 so far Sunday.

    This is now 9 days since the high set last Saturday.
     
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  18. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My brother still has that.
     
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  19. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Yep. Fox is a talk show, with news as the warm-up act.

    The right would be a lot better informed if it were addicted to an actual news outlet. For all the complaints that the right makes about Fake News! the fact is that most WaPo and NYT readers buy those papers for the news coverage, not for the Op-Ed sections.
     
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  20. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Some good news from Canada. We have a company in Vancouver planning to start human trials in July on a new anti body drug treatment.

    Its sounding promising.
     
  21. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    just be aware there has been a lull pretty much every weekend for whatever reason. The big indicator will be Tuesday where, previously, there has been a spike to a new plateau.
     
  22. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    We've already spanned a week on the new cases front. At what point is the weekend over? A week and two days ago?

    I would expect deaths to mirror the new case behavior 1-2 weeks later.
     
  23. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    For the first time, ABC News tonight went through the timeline on the Trump response, which I figure it got from the NYT and WaPo. Devastating. This guy was sitting on multiple reports from earlier dates than first reported, and those reports urged stricter steps and more action than was first reported. I don't see how a neutral could argue that he handled the situation well, or even adequately.
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    New Zealand
    This is basically the new normal already

    Our local hamburg market has bread queues like the DDR times.

    It would make much more sense now to take at least some of that to online ordering and then you pickup in slots. There is no real point to people queuing for 30 mins on the market for bread, then queuing another 30 mins for the butcher etc

    Similarly a bunch of NZ suppliers have been forced to go online only - but why not stay that way for as much as possible and reduce store footfall?
     
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  25. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I know about the weekend lull. I hadn't realized the Tuesday spike, though. It's interesting going through the data. Some states like NY send what appear to be highly reliable numbers. Others are wacked. Georgia was 100 one day, 12 deaths the next. Try running a random simulation where that occurs! Florida is similar. Texas claims to barely have any cases at all. It sure looks to this independent observer as if there are different reporting standards among the states, sometimes very different.
     

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