Core Values of the American Political Parties

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Pauncho, Oct 26, 2004.

  1. Pauncho

    Pauncho Member+

    Mar 2, 1999
    Bexley, Ohio
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The core value of the Republican party is that the rich and powerful should get richer and more powerful. They like to say they are for unfettered entrepeneurship, but of course, that's only true if unfettered entrepeneurship means those who already got, get more. If it threatens them in a particular area, they're all for socialism for the rich in that area.

    The key tactic Republicans employ in achieving their core value is to appear to make an alliance with people who think government, business, and other powerful elements of society have a big, legitimate interest in telling people how to live their private lives. The real leaders of the Republican party don't care much one way or the other about this, as far as they are concerned it is no skin off their noses whether abortion is a right or a felony, as long as the EPA goes away. I say this is merely a tactic, and not a real alliance, because the Republicans have been very careful never to actually achieve most of the social right's agenda. If they did, they would energize the passive center-left while giving much of the social right a bad case of 'we don't need you any more.' The day the Supreme Court actually does overrule Roe v. Wade is the day millions of soccer moms turn on the Republicans.

    Democrats don't have any core values. All they are is the collection place for the many, various groups that know they're ill served by the Republicans. Sometimes these folks are actually at odds, they're merely sort-of united by the principal that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Three things cloud up these simple truths.

    First, since Republicans are for rich people, rich people are for Republicans, and give them $$. This $$ buys the best PR people, and the resources those top spinmeisters need to do their jobs. These guys have done outstanding work in identifying, and pounding away at, just the right themes, some of which make the right sound principled.

    Second, for both parties, the extremes want to impose their agenda as a litmus test. In some places they're gotten pretty good at it. After all, who really knows anything about the candidates in the primary for State Representative? For the Rs, Aunt Tilly (who hates abortion) pays $20 a year to belong to an organization that sends her a list a week before the election of who to vote for, and she does. Uncle Fester (the gun nut) belongs to the NRA, who do the same. For the Ds, Cousin Hubert (the ecofreak) belongs to Greenpeace, and Cousin Bertha (you know her story) has her club. These folks work very hard to make it look like there's more organization than there really is, partly out of a hope to make that a self-fulfilling prophecy. The people who make it possible for these extremists to have so much more power than their numbers would otherwise support are the ordinary folks too busy with their lives to know who they're voting for apart from the top couple of offices.

    Third, we live in a continental-sized country where the differences between regions are bigger than local differences between people. The places at the extremes need a 'me too-but not as much' party for there to be someplace for the opposition to go. It's only a little hyperbole to say that a Massachussets Republican wants to require health insurance to cover abortions - but with a bigger deductible, while a Texas Democrat favors public floggings of homosexuals - but fewer lashes. Every four years the Republicans and Democrats show off their moderates during the election, in hopes of looking good to uncommitted voters. Then they spend the next 45 months marginalizing them, mostly successfully.

    But all of this fog doesn't change the substance.
  2. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    You are much too negative about human nature. I think an honest conservative believes that by being supportive of business we will help bring up the standard of living and minimize poverty. An honest liberal wants to help poverty directly by taking from business through redistribution. Both mean well, and neither is evil, sinister or unpatriotic.

    I think it is important to stay away from extremes and to combine brains and heart. I agree that we have to do something to help the poor now, but to overtax and overregulate business is like trying to kill the goose who lays the golden eggs. So a balance must be achieved, where we don't turn a blind eye to today's needs, but we refrain from well meaning but destructive policies of overtaxing and overregulating business, which will mean greater needs tomorrow.
  3. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Core values of the Republican and Democratic parties: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Core values of the "mid-major" parties (Libertarian, Green, Constitution, etc.): LOOK AT ME!! LOOK AT ME!!! MOMMY, MOMMY, LOOK NO HANDS LOOK AT ME!!!
  4. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who's this cynic and how did he get Alex's password?
  5. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
    Northern Virginia
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree!

    Bush/Cheney in 2004
  6. NHRef

    NHRef Member+

    Apr 7, 2004
    Southern NH
    Core values of both:

    - do whatever it takes to get elected
    - anything the other side does is horrible
    - anything this side does is wonderfull.
  7. Roel

    Roel Member

    Jan 15, 2000
    Santa Cruz mountains
    Liverpool FC
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    Wow. I somewhat agree with ITN on this one, regarding Democrats lack of core values, although Alex said it better. $$ are the core value of both major parties, and the significant third party alternatives better grow up before they can expect a share of the power, or a slice of the financial pie. The democrats (Daschle, Feinstein, Liebermann, Rodham-Clinton) have become lapdogs of the Republicans, and some have even crossed over in order to improve their careers (Miller, Koch). I mean, no reasonable person can really support what Bush and company are doing. Their policies are bad, and they are poorly implemented. But the Democratic leadership did nothing to stop them. All this, because they wanted to keep their noses in the trough.
  8. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
    New Albany, OH
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I think your description of an honest liberal is a little bit wide of the mark, it's important to note we are talking about the core values of the parties, not conservatives and liberals. George Bush, and the current GOP, is not conservative, despite the fact that they like to plaster themselves with that label.

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