Copa Libertadores 2018

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  1. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Group 8 is almost a group of elite football:

    Should be the group with more International Caps in all the tournament.

    From long time ago wasnt a group like this



    Boca:

    Tevez-Arg (76)
    Edwin Cardona -Col(31)
    Wilma Barrios-Col (8)
    Frank Fabra - Col(17)
    Nahitan Nandez - Uru(9)
    Fernando Gago - Arg(61)

    not counting benedetto and sebastian perez

    Junior:

    Teo Gutierrez -Col(52)
    Yimmy Chara-Col (6)
    Mudo Rodriguez-Peru (71)
    Sebastian Viera-Uru (15)

    Palmeiras:

    Miguel Borja-Col ( 6)
    Michel Bastos-Bra (10)
    Felipe Melo-Bra (22)
    Alejandro Guerra-Ven (60)

    Alianza:

    Miguel Araujo-Peru 6
    Butron-Peru 39

    Also the group have 3 america best player:

    Tevez (2004)
    Teo (2014)
    Borja (2016)
    Alejandro Guerra was elected the best player of libertadores 2016



    A lot of these players played in world cup editions. and others will played it for first time.

    Also importants participation in UCL
     
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  2. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Also Luis Ramirez and Rinaldo Cruzado who were Peruvian NT starters in the 2014 qualifiers. Alianza has good players, but they have a big weakness in both their full back spots, and for that reason I can't see them surprising anyone.
     
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  3. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yeah, right. They play like dogshit.

    Okay. I suppose in Argentina when you lead the league in dominant fashion from start to finish after winning the last one, being up nine points, scoring the most goals, allowing the least goals, having by far the best goal differential, it is not described as dominant but rather as "playing like dogshit".

    Well, as Riquelme once said in another year when Boca was also winning and everyone else also kept saying Boca was playing like crap: "Si Boca juega mal, (y gana todo), que queda para el resto de los equipos?".

    Boca is winning because our players are good, not just expensive. They are the best team in Argentina right now. It's true that for the most part they are winning more with individualidades than with team play, but the results speak for themselves. I don't know if it's good enough to beat the best of South America in a tournament as difficult as Libertadores, but it would be absurd not to consider Boca as one of the favorites.

    I do agree that Independiente and Racing have been playing well lately, but I would still bet on Boca against either one if they played right now, even though they did lose to Racing back in November.

    River also has assembled good players, and they have the potential to contend in Libertadores, but they are underachieving at this point.

    The club that's playing well right now is Talleres, not because of brilliant players, but because of a disciplined approach and solid tactics. I wish they were participating in La Copa.
     
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  4. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    The defending champions start off their campaign at turtle pace. I usually enjoy watching Gremio but this is their Spain 2010 side. Passing with perfection but with little excitement to be found.
     
  5. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    You missed Cristian Pavon in Boca, he has only 2 caps for Argentina (both in last November), yet he's most likely going to the world cup.
     
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  6. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    #56 pipinogol, Feb 27, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2018
    You keep farming points against the weaklings while the other big clubs are distracted with international competitions (let's remember you didn't play any of them during last 6 months of 2016 and during whole 2017). We'll see how you do now that you have the same competition as everyone else.
     
  7. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Lautaro Martinez is on fire!
     
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  8. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    BTW, I prefer the new intro without the "An die Freude" and without the Bridgestone logo.

     
  10. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I agree with your picks, they are the logical choices. Obviously I have my eye on Boca's group, but other than that, Group 5 is the most interesting one to me, with Racing, Cruzeiro, Vasco and U de Chile.

    Group 6 also could be good. I'm watching Estudiantes vs Nacional. Obviously these are not our parents' Estudiantes and Nacional from the good old days when they used to meet in the final, but they both look quite solid, the type of teams that could advance and complicate things for the favorites.
     
  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    #61 Suyuntuy, Feb 28, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2018
    This Bolso-Pincha game has been quite good tactically.

    PS: Otero just flubbed a great chance near the end. On the other side, qué malo es Bueno!
     
  12. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Qué mal que jugaron Flamengo y River.

    Pero punto de oro para River por cómo se dio.
     
  13. Quino1908

    Quino1908 New Member

    Mar 6, 2018
    I don't know if Group 5 is going to be that interesting. Do you really think that U de Chile is as strong as Cruzeiro/Racing? And having seen Vasco playing against Wilstermann, they're average at best. Destroyed at Bolivia and an undeserved difference at Brazil.
    I think Group 3 is much more balanced. Anyone could be 1st or 4th...
     
  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Quite impressed with Libertad, that has gone back to its counter-attacking style. They just let Tucuman do the work and hit on the counter, without ever losing their defensive discipline. Libertad looks quite formidable this year.
     
  15. praxis.en

    praxis.en Member

    May 13, 2015
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    they've played like one game dawg
     
  16. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Estudiantes have been garbage so far. I maintain that they'll find a way to beat Real Garcilaso, but no way these are contenders.

    Morales has done well to keep Garcilaso in this but I still see him insecure today. It wouldn't surprise me if his mistake in the second half costs RG the game. If they get a draw though, he'll be man of the match as there is no need to think in what ifs.
     
  17. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't think anyone considers Estudiantes contenders. They did, however, win 3-0 today...
     
  18. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
    Staff Member

    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    I maintain that they were "garbage". Real Garcilaso were worse in every way.
     
  19. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Like I said, they are far from contenders.. I don't think anyone is expecting Estudiantes to even make a decent run in the Copa, let alone win it. 3-0 isn't a bad start, though, for a team that isn't expected to do anything significant.
     
  20. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    I will do a quick overview of all groups now that all teams have played at least one match:

    Group A: Gremio will obviously go through, Despite Cerro is leading the group, I really rate this Defensor team, I think they will narrowly catch that 2nd place at the end.

    B: Atl. Nacional will top it (duh), Colo Colo got an absolute key point in La Paz, I see them taking 2nd now.

    C: Libertad, very solid team just like last year in Sudamericana, they will go through. I think Peñarol will take 2nd at the end, despite they just lost in La Paz. Tucuman will be last place but they will take some points from others.

    D: River and Flamengo, don't know who will top it though.

    E: Racing 1st, Cruzeiro 2nd.

    F: Santos 1st, Estudiantes 2nd. Garcilaso will take all points at home but will fail to win any away. Nacional will be last place.

    G: All four teams aren't playing good football (well, Lara does the best they can). I still think sheer experience of players will prevail and Corinthians & Independiente go through.

    H: Palmeiras will take 1st, Boca plays poorly but they have too many good players to not advance.
     
  21. praxis.en

    praxis.en Member

    May 13, 2015
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #71 praxis.en, Mar 15, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2018
    Regarding B. Do not underestimate the choking ability of my Chilean friends and don't count Bolivar out.
     
  22. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Dudeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee just one gameee how can you make that analysis from just one gameee??
     
  23. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Indeed; only Groups D (half of the teams), F, and G have played 2 matches.

    In Group D, Flamengo came close to defeating River Plate at home, and losing 2 out of 3 points in what was a winnable home game were recovered with its away win at Emelec. Flamengo has oscillated in the Libertadores group stage, but despite its loss in the Sul-Americana final to Independiente, it's nonetheless a solid team. They have a home and away vs. Santa Fe in a 7-day period next month; if they take 4 points, I think Flamengo will in a safe position for the round of 16 by the time it plays its final group stage game when it visits River Plate on May 23.

    As River Plate just won its country's "recopa" type confrontation, its morale is high, and I would be surprised if they didn't go through as well.

    In Group F, I have to say I'm surprised Estudiantes is first after 2 games. They are not their country's finest representative this year, but it did well to draw 0-0 when visiting Nacional and gained 3 points with a good win over Real Garcilaso. It was disappointing for Santos to lose vs. Real, but this team showed its mettle by winning vs. Nacional 3-1 after being 1 man down. It's going to be a tough call in this group, and for the Uruguayans, a win at Real Garcilaso on April 3 will be a must. If they fail to win there and one of Estudiantes and Santos wins when these two meet on April 5, Nacional would be the last team with 1 or 2 points while Estudiantes with 7 or Santos with 6 might be group leader.

    In Group G, the surprise was Deportivo Lara defeating Independiente at home. With Corinthians beating the Venezuelans 2-0 and Independiente defeating Millonarios 1-0, the stage is set for this Brazil vs. Argentina clash on April 18 (Independiente hosts). As in Group F, a non-draw result will push one team to the top and may well serve as an impetus to get this match's winner on the road to the round of 16. I had pegged Corinthians and Independiente to advance from this group, and so far it looks likely.
     
  24. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Hopefully Alianza beats Junior tonight. I can see it being hotly contested. Based on projected lineups, Alianza are playing something better than recently, but that right side will need lots of cover to make sure Marina doesn't get torn apart.

    Hopefully Leyes doesn't start. He sucks.
     
  25. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Vi a los dos en la cancha, y Cruzeiro al lado del Vasco me pareció Brasil del '70.

    No entiendo cómo no le pudo ganar.
     

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