Copa Libertadores 2014

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by JAIME CHILE, Nov 28, 2013.

  1. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
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  2. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    PRIMERA FASE Grupo Hora local Partido Hora GMT
    28-ene ganador 6 19.00 ORIENTE PETROLERO (BOL) X NACIONAL (URU) 23.00
    28-ene ganador 5 19.15 MORELIA (MEX) X IND STA FE (COL) 01.15+
    29-ene ganador 1 19.00 SP CRISTAL (PERU) X A PARANAENSE (BRA) 00.00
    29-ene ganador 2 19.00 DEPORTIVO QUITO (ECU) X BOTAFOGO (BRA) 00.00
    30-ene ganador 3 20.00 CHILE 3 X GUARANI (PAR) 23.00
    30-ene ganador 4 20.45 CARACAS FC (VEN) X LANUS (ARG) 01.15+
    PRIMERA FASE
    04-feb ganador 6 21.00 NACIONAL (URU) X O PETROLERO (BOL) 23.00
    04-feb ganador 5 20.30 IND STA FE (COL) X MORELIA (MEX) 01.30+
    05-feb ganador 1 22.00 A.PARANAENSE (BRA) X S CRISTAL (PER) 00.00
    05-feb ganador 2 22.00 BOTAFOGO (BRA) X DEP QUITO (ECU) 00.00
    06-feb ganador 3 19.30 GUARANI (PAR) XCHILE 3 22.30
    06-feb ganador 4 22.00 LANUS (ARG) X CARACAS FC (VEN) 01.00+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    11-feb 2 GANADOR 2 X SAN LORENZO (ARG) 22.00
    11-feb 4 19.45 ZAMORA (VEN) X A MINEIRO (BRA) 00.15+
    11-feb 8 18.15 SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) X ARSENAL (ARG) 00.15+
    11-feb 1 21.30 PERU 1 X VELEZ (ARG) 02.30+
    11-feb 4 GANADOR 5 X NACIONAL (PAR) 02.30+
    12-feb 8 17.15 D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) X PEÑAROL (URU) 21.45
    12-feb 7 18.00 LEON (MEX) X FLAMENGO (BRA) 00.00
    12-feb 5 19.00 PERU 2 X CRUZEIRO (BRA) 00.00
    12-feb 3 21.15 DEPORTIIVO CALI (COL) X C.PORTEÑO (PAR) 02.15+
    13-feb 1 GANADOR 1 X BOLIVIA 2 22.00
    13-feb 5 GANADOR 3 X D SPORTING (URU) 22.00
    13-feb 3 GANADOR 4 X O´HIGGINS (CHI) 00.15+
    13-feb 6 GANADOR 6 X GREMIO (BRA) 00.15+
    13-feb 6 21.30 A.NACIONAL (COL) X NEWELLS (ARG) 02.30+
    13-feb 7 21.30 EMELEC (ECU) X BOLIVAR (BOL) 02.30+
    SEGUNDA FASE
    18-feb 8 21.15 PEÑAROL (URU) X SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) 23.15
    18-feb 2 20.30 IND DEL VALLE (ECU) X U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) 01.30+
    19-feb 5 20.30 D.SPORTING (URU) X PERU 2 22.30
    19-feb 7 20.45 BOLIVAR (BOL) X LEON (MEX) 00.45+
    19-feb 3 21.45 O´HIGGINS (CHI) X DEP CALI (COL) 00.45+
    20-feb 4 20.00 NACIONAL (PAR) X ZAMORA (VEN) 23.00
    20-feb 1 21.15 BOLIVIA 2 X PERU 1 01.15+
    25
    SEGUNDA FASE
    25-feb 5 17.30 CRUZEIRO (BRA) X GANADOR 3 20.30
    25-feb 1 19.45 VELEZ (ARG) X GANADOR 1 22.45
    25-feb 6 22.00 GREMIO (BRA) X A NACIONAL (COL) 01.00+
    25-feb 8 22.00 ARSENAL (ARG) X D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) 01.00+
    26-feb 2 19.45 U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) X GANADOR 2 22.45
    26-feb 3 19.45 CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) GANADOR 4 22.45
    26-feb 7 22.00 FLAMENGO (BRA) X EMELEC (ECU) 01.00+
    26-feb 4 22.00 A MINEIRO (BRA) X GANADOR 5 01.00+
    27-feb 2 19.30 SAN LORENZO (ARG) X IND DEL VALLE (ECU) 22.30
    27-feb 6 21.45 NEWELLS (ARG) X GANADOR 6 00.45+
    SEGUNDA FASE
    11-mar 5 19.00 D.SPORTING (URU) X CRUZEIRO (BRA) 22.00
    11-mar 1 20.15 BOLIVIA 2 X VELEZ (ARG) 00.15+
    11-mar 8 19.45 D.ANZOATEGUI (VEN) X SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) 00.15+
    11-mar 6 19.15 A.NACIONAL (COL) X GANADOR 6 00.15+
    11-mar 5 21.30 PERU 2 X GANADOR 3 02.30+
    11-mar 7 21.30 EMELEC (ECU) X LEON 02.30+
    12-mar 2 17.45 IND DEL VALLE (ECU) X GANADOR 2 22.45
    12-mar 2 19.45 SAN LORENZO (ARG) X UNION ESPAÑOLA (CHI) 22.45
    12-mar 7 22.00 FLAMENGO (BRA) X BOLIVAR (BOL) 01.00+
    12-mar 4 22.00 NACIONAL (PAR) X A MINEIRO (BRA) 01.00+
    12-mar 4 20.30 ZAMORA (VEN) X GANADOR 5 01.00+
    13-mar 8 19.00 ARSENAL (ARG) X PEÑAROL (URU) 22.00
    13-mar 6 21.15 GREMIO (BRA) X NEWELLS (ARG) 00.15+
    13-mar 3 21.15 O´HIGGINS (CHI) X CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) 00.15+
    13-mar 1 21.30 PERU 1 X GANADOR 1 02.30+
    13-mar 3 21.30 DEP CALI (COL) X GANADOR 4 02.30+
    50
    SEGUNDA FASE
    18-mar 5 GANADOR 3 X PERU 2 22.45
    18-mar 6 GANADOR 6 X A NACIONAL (COL 22.45
    18-mar 2 GANADOR 2 X IND DEL VALLE (ECU) 01.00+
    18-mar 1 22.00 VELEZ (ARG) BOLIVIA 2 01.00+
    18-mar 4 GANADOR 5 X ZAMORA (VEN) 01.00+
    18-mar 8 21.15 SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) X D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) 03.15+
    19-mar 4 19.45 A.MINEIRO (BRA) X NACIONAL (PAR) 22.45
    19-mar 8 19.45 PEÑAROL (URU) X ARSENAL (ARG) 22.45
    19-mar 7 21.00 BOLIVAR (BOL) X FLAMENGO (BRA) 01.00+
    19-mar 6 22.00 NEWELLS (ARG) X GREMIO (BRA) 01.00+
    19-mar 7 19.00 LEON (MEX X EMELEC (ECU) 01.00+
    20-mar 1 GANADOR 1 X PERU 1 20.30
    20-mar 3 GANADOR 4 X DEPORTIVO CALI (COL) 22.45
    20-mar 3 19.45 CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) X O´HIGGINS (CHI) 22.45
    20-mar 2 22.00 U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) X SAN LORENZO (ARG) 01.00+
    20-mar 5 22.00 CRUZEIRO (BRA) X D SPORTING (URU) 01.00+
    SEGUNDA FASE
    25-mar 4 19.00 ZAMORA (VEN) X NACIONAL (PAR) 23.30
    25-mar 8 20.00 SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) X PEÑAROL (URU) 02.00+
    26-mar 6 GANADOR 6 X NEWELLS (ARG) 22.45
    26-mar 1 GANADOR 1 X VELEZ (ARG) 01.00+
    26-mar 3 20.00 DEPORTIVO CALI (COL) X O´HIGGINS (CHI) 01.00+
    26-mar 7 21.15 LEON (MEX) X BOLIVAR (BOL) 03.15+
    27-mar 3 GANADOR 4 X CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) 21.30
    27-mar 2 18.45 IND DEL VALLE (ECU ) X SAN LORENZO (ARG) 23.45
    27-mar 8 21.30 D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) X ARSENAL (ARG) 02.00+
    27-mar 1 21.00 PERU 1 X BOLIVIA 2 02.00+
    SEGUNDA FASE
    01-abr 5 19.00 PERU 2 X D SPORTING (URU) 00.00
    01-abr 4 GANADOR 5 X A.MINEIRO (BRA) 02.15+
    02-abr 2 GANADOR 2 X U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) 22.45
    02-abr 7 20.00 EMELEC (ECU) X FLAMENGO (BRA) 01.00+
    02-abr 6 20.00 A NACIONAL (COL) X GREMIO (BRA) 01.00+
    03-abr 5 GANADOR 3 X CRUZEIRO (BRA) 00.00
    SEGUNDA FASE
    08-abr 1 19.45 VELEZ (ARG) X PERU 1 22.45
    08-abr 1 18.45 BOLIVIA 2 X GANADOR 1 22.45
    08-abr 3 22.00 CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) X DEP CALI (COL) 01.00+
    08-abr 3 22.00 O´HIGGINS (CHI) X GANADOR 4 01.00+
    09-abr 2 19.45 U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) X IND DEL VALLE (ECU) 22.45
    09-abr 2 19.45 SAN LORENZO (ARG) X GANADOR 2 22.45
    09-abr 7 22.00 FLAMENGO (BRA) X LEON (MEX) 01.00+
    09-abr 7 21.00 BOLIVAR (BOL) X EMELEC (ECU) 01.00+
    09-abr 5 22.00 CRUZEIRO (BRA) X PERU 2 01.00+
    09-abr 5 22.00 D SPORTING (URU) X GANADOR 3 01.00+
    10-abr 4 17.30 A.MINEIRO (BRA) X ZAMORA (VEN) 20.30
    10-abr 4 17.30 NACIONAL (PAR) X GANADOR 5 20.30
    10-abr 8 19.45 PEÑAROL (URU) X D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) 22.45
    10-abr 8 19.45 ARSENAL (ARG) X SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) 22.45
    10-abr 6 22.00 NEWELLS (ARG) X A NACIONAL (COL) 01.00+
    10-abr 6 22.00 GREMIO (BRA) X GANADOR 6 01.00+
     
  3. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    1a fase (28 de enero al 6 de febrero):

    Sporting Cristal(PER) vs Atlético-PR(BRA)
    Dep.Quito(ECU) vs Botafogo(BRA)
    Chile3 (Univ.de Chile o Iquique) vs Guaraní(PAR)
    Caracas(VEN) vs Lanús(ARG)
    Monarcas Morelia(MÉJ) vs Independiente de Sta.Fe(COL)
    Oriente Petrolero(BOL) vs Nacional de Montevideo(URU)

    2a fase (11 de febrero al 10 de abril):

    Grupo 1
    Vélez Sarsfield(ARG)
    The Strongest(BOL)
    Universitario(PER)
    Atlético-PR(BRA) o Sporting Cristal(PER)

    Grupo 2
    Unión Española(CHI)
    San Lorenzo de Almagro(ARG)
    Independiente del Valle(ECU)
    Botafogo(BRA) o Dep.Quito(ECU)

    Grupo 3
    Cerro Porteño(PAR)
    O'Higgins(CHI)
    Dep.Cali(COL)
    Lanús(ARG) o Caracas(VEN)

    Grupo 4
    Atlético-MG(BRA)(actual Campeón)
    Nacional de Asunción(PAR)
    Zamora(VEN)
    Independiente de Sta.Fe(COL) o Monarcas Morelia(MÉJ)

    Grupo 5
    Cruzeiro(BRA)
    Defensor Sporting(URU)
    Real Garcilaso(PER)
    Chile3(Univ.de Chile o Iquique) o Guaraní(PAR)

    Grupo 6
    Newell's old boys(ARG)
    Gremio(BRA)
    Atlético Nacional(COL)
    Nacional de Montevideo(URU) u Oriente Petrolero(BOL)

    Grupo 7
    Bolívar(BOL)
    Flamengo(BRA)
    Emelec(ECU)
    León(MÉJ)

    Grupo 8
    Peñarol(URU)
    Arsenal(ARG)
    Dep.Anzoátegui(VEN)
    Santos Laguna(MÉJ)


    PRIMERA FASE Grupo Hora local Partido Hora GMT
    28-ene ganador 6 19.00 ORIENTE PETROLERO (BOL) X NACIONAL (URU) 23.00
    28-ene ganador 5 19.15 MORELIA (MEX) X IND STA FE (COL) 01.15+
    29-ene ganador 1 19.00 SP CRISTAL (PERU) X A PARANAENSE (BRA) 00.00
    29-ene ganador 2 19.00 DEPORTIVO QUITO (ECU) X BOTAFOGO (BRA) 00.00
    30-ene ganador 3 20.00 CHILE 3 X GUARANI (PAR) 23.00
    30-ene ganador 4 20.45 CARACAS FC (VEN) X LANUS (ARG) 01.15+

    PRIMERA FASE
    04-feb ganador 6 21.00 NACIONAL (URU) X O PETROLERO (BOL) 23.00
    04-feb ganador 5 20.30 IND STA FE (COL) X MORELIA (MEX) 01.30+
    05-feb ganador 1 22.00 A.PARANAENSE (BRA) X S CRISTAL (PER) 00.00
    05-feb ganador 2 22.00 BOTAFOGO (BRA) X DEP QUITO (ECU) 00.00
    06-feb ganador 3 19.30 GUARANI (PAR) X CHILE 3 22.30
    06-feb ganador 4 22.00 LANUS (ARG) X CARACAS FC (VEN) 01.00+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    11-feb 2 GANADOR 2 X SAN LORENZO (ARG) 22.00
    11-feb 4 19.45 ZAMORA (VEN) X A MINEIRO (BRA) 00.15+
    11-feb 8 18.15 SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) X ARSENAL (ARG) 00.15+
    11-feb 1 21.30 UNIVERSITARIO (PER) X VELEZ (ARG) 02.30+
    11-feb 4 GANADOR 5 X NACIONAL (PAR) 02.30+
    12-feb 8 17.15 D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) X PEÑAROL (URU) 21.45
    12-feb 7 18.00 LEON (MEX) X FLAMENGO (BRA) 00.00
    12-feb 5 19.00 R. GARCILASO (PER) X CRUZEIRO (BRA) 00.00
    12-feb 3 21.15 DEPORTIVO CALI (COL) X C.PORTEÑO (PAR) 02.15+
    13-feb 1 GANADOR 1 X THE STRONGEST (BOL) 22.00
    13-feb 5 GANADOR 3 X D SPORTING (URU) 22.00
    13-feb 3 GANADOR 4 X O´HIGGINS (CHI) 00.15+
    13-feb 6 GANADOR 6 X GREMIO (BRA) 00.15+
    13-feb 6 21.30 A.NACIONAL (COL) X NEWELLS (ARG) 02.30+
    13-feb 7 21.30 EMELEC (ECU) X BOLIVAR (BOL) 02.30+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    18-feb 8 21.15 PEÑAROL (URU) X SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) 23.15
    18-feb 2 20.30 IND DEL VALLE (ECU) X U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) 01.30+
    19-feb 5 20.30 D.SPORTING (URU) X R. GARCILASO (PER) 22.30
    19-feb 7 20.45 BOLIVAR (BOL) X LEON (MEX) 00.45+
    19-feb 3 21.45 O´HIGGINS (CHI) X DEP CALI (COL) 00.45+
    20-feb 4 20.00 NACIONAL (PAR) X ZAMORA (VEN) 23.00
    20-feb 1 21.15 THE STRONGEST (BOL) X UNIVERSITARIO (PER) 01.15+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    25-feb 5 17.30 CRUZEIRO (BRA) X GANADOR 3 20.30
    25-feb 1 19.45 VELEZ (ARG) X GANADOR 1 22.45
    25-feb 6 22.00 GREMIO (BRA) X A NACIONAL (COL) 01.00+
    25-feb 8 22.00 ARSENAL (ARG) X D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) 01.00+
    26-feb 2 19.45 U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) X GANADOR 2 22.45
    26-feb 3 19.45 CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) GANADOR 4 22.45
    26-feb 7 22.00 FLAMENGO (BRA) X EMELEC (ECU) 01.00+
    26-feb 4 22.00 A MINEIRO (BRA) X GANADOR 5 01.00+
    27-feb 2 19.30 SAN LORENZO (ARG) X IND DEL VALLE (ECU) 22.30
    27-feb 6 21.45 NEWELLS (ARG) X GANADOR 6 00.45+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    11-mar 5 19.00 D.SPORTING (URU) X CRUZEIRO (BRA) 22.00
    11-mar 1 20.15 THE STRONGEST (BOL) X VELEZ (ARG) 00.15+
    11-mar 8 19.45 D.ANZOATEGUI (VEN) X SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) 00.15+
    11-mar 6 19.15 A.NACIONAL (COL) X GANADOR 6 00.15+
    11-mar 5 21.30 R. GARCILASO (PER) X GANADOR 3 02.30+
    11-mar 7 21.30 EMELEC (ECU) X LEON 02.30+
    12-mar 2 17.45 IND DEL VALLE (ECU) X GANADOR 2 22.45
    12-mar 2 19.45 SAN LORENZO (ARG) X UNION ESPAÑOLA (CHI) 22.45
    12-mar 7 22.00 FLAMENGO (BRA) X BOLIVAR (BOL) 01.00+
    12-mar 4 22.00 NACIONAL (PAR) X A MINEIRO (BRA) 01.00+
    12-mar 4 20.30 ZAMORA (VEN) X GANADOR 5 01.00+
    13-mar 8 19.00 ARSENAL (ARG) X PEÑAROL (URU) 22.00
    13-mar 6 21.15 GREMIO (BRA) X NEWELLS (ARG) 00.15+
    13-mar 3 21.15 O´HIGGINS (CHI) X CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) 00.15+
    13-mar 1 21.30 UNIVERSITARIO (PER) X GANADOR 1 02.30+
    13-mar 3 21.30 DEP CALI (COL) X GANADOR 4 02.30+
    50

    SEGUNDA FASE
    18-mar 5 GANADOR 3 X R. GARCILASO (PER) 22.45
    18-mar 6 GANADOR 6 X A NACIONAL (COL) 22.45
    18-mar 2 GANADOR 2 X IND DEL VALLE (ECU) 01.00+
    18-mar 1 22.00 VELEZ (ARG) X THE STRONGEST(BOL) 01.00+
    18-mar 4 GANADOR 5 X ZAMORA (VEN) 01.00+
    18-mar 8 21.15 SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) X D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) 03.15+
    19-mar 4 19.45 A.MINEIRO (BRA) X NACIONAL (PAR) 22.45
    19-mar 8 19.45 PEÑAROL (URU) X ARSENAL (ARG) 22.45
    19-mar 7 21.00 BOLIVAR (BOL) X FLAMENGO (BRA) 01.00+
    19-mar 6 22.00 NEWELLS (ARG) X GREMIO (BRA) 01.00+
    19-mar 7 19.00 LEON (MEX) X EMELEC (ECU) 01.00+
    20-mar 1 GANADOR 1 X UNIVERSITARIO (PER) 20.30
    20-mar 3 GANADOR 4 X DEPORTIVO CALI (COL) 22.45
    20-mar 3 19.45 CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) X O´HIGGINS (CHI) 22.45
    20-mar 2 22.00 U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) X SAN LORENZO (ARG) 01.00+
    20-mar 5 22.00 CRUZEIRO (BRA) X D SPORTING (URU) 01.00+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    25-mar 4 19.00 ZAMORA (VEN) X NACIONAL (PAR) 23.30
    25-mar 8 20.00 SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) X PEÑAROL (URU) 02.00+
    26-mar 6 GANADOR 6 X NEWELLS (ARG) 22.45
    26-mar 1 GANADOR 1 X VELEZ (ARG) 01.00+
    26-mar 3 20.00 DEPORTIVO CALI (COL) X O´HIGGINS (CHI) 01.00+
    26-mar 7 21.15 LEON (MEX) X BOLIVAR (BOL) 03.15+
    27-mar 3 GANADOR 4 X CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) 21.30
    27-mar 2 18.45 IND DEL VALLE (ECU ) X SAN LORENZO (ARG) 23.45
    27-mar 8 21.30 D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) X ARSENAL (ARG) 02.00+
    27-mar 1 21.00 UNIVERSITARIO(PER) X THE STRONGEST(BOL) 02.00+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    01-abr 5 19.00 R. GARCILASO(PER) X D SPORTING (URU) 00.00
    01-abr 4 GANADOR 5 X A.MINEIRO (BRA) 02.15+
    02-abr 2 GANADOR 2 X U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) 22.45
    02-abr 7 20.00 EMELEC (ECU) X FLAMENGO (BRA) 01.00+
    02-abr 6 20.00 A NACIONAL (COL) X GREMIO (BRA) 01.00+
    03-abr 5 GANADOR 3 X CRUZEIRO (BRA) 00.00

    SEGUNDA FASE
    08-abr 1 19.45 VELEZ (ARG) X UNIVERSITARIO (PER) 22.45
    08-abr 1 18.45 THE STRONGEST(BOL) X GANADOR 1 22.45
    08-abr 3 22.00 CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) X DEP CALI (COL) 01.00+
    08-abr 3 22.00 O´HIGGINS (CHI) X GANADOR 4 01.00+
    09-abr 2 19.45 U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) X IND DEL VALLE (ECU) 22.45
    09-abr 2 19.45 SAN LORENZO (ARG) X GANADOR 2 22.45
    09-abr 7 22.00 FLAMENGO (BRA) X LEON (MEX) 01.00+
    09-abr 7 21.00 BOLIVAR (BOL) X EMELEC (ECU) 01.00+
    09-abr 5 22.00 CRUZEIRO (BRA) X R. GARCILASO 01.00+
    09-abr 5 22.00 D SPORTING (URU) X GANADOR 3 01.00+
    10-abr 4 17.30 A.MINEIRO (BRA) X ZAMORA (VEN) 20.30
    10-abr 4 17.30 NACIONAL (PAR) X GANADOR 5 20.30
    10-abr 8 19.45 PEÑAROL (URU) X D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) 22.45
    10-abr 8 19.45 ARSENAL (ARG) X SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) 22.45
    10-abr 6 22.00 NEWELLS (ARG) X A NACIONAL (COL) 01.00+
    10-abr 6 22.00 GREMIO (BRA) X GANADOR 6 01.00+
     
  4. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  5. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
  6. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't know how much I'll care about this copa after my team was wrongly disqualified... The only thing I want to see in this is san lorenzo get raped by mineiro or cruzeiro or whatever brazilian team

    Please people, whip these people's asses. Nothing would be worse than seeing san lorenzo win a copa libertadores
     
  7. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    LOL! Never in a million years.. not even with the pope on their side. ;)

    But seriously, aside from the jokes of them never winning a copa, their squad is quite subpar. They won the Inicial simply because all the other contenders kept on choking. Most subpar champions in a long time. Unless they bring 2 super strong reinforcements, they won't be anywhere near winning the libertadores.
     
  8. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    LOL :D:D

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  9. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Esta tarde clasificó el último club a la Libertadores 2014: Univ.de Chile.

    1a fase (28 de enero al 6 de febrero):

    Sporting Cristal(PER) vs Atlético-PR(BRA)
    Dep.Quito(ECU) vs Botafogo(BRA)
    Univ.de Chile(CHI) vs Guaraní(PAR)
    Caracas(VEN) vs Lanús(ARG)
    Monarcas Morelia(MÉJ) vs Independiente de Sta.Fe(COL)
    Oriente Petrolero(BOL) vs Nacional de Montevideo(URU)

    2a fase (11 de febrero al 10 de abril):

    Grupo 1
    Vélez Sarsfield(ARG)
    The Strongest(BOL)
    Universitario(PER)
    Atlético-PR(BRA) o Sporting Cristal(PER)

    Grupo 2
    Unión Española(CHI)
    San Lorenzo de Almagro(ARG)
    Independiente del Valle(ECU)
    Botafogo(BRA) o Dep.Quito(ECU)

    Grupo 3
    Cerro Porteño(PAR)
    O'Higgins(CHI)
    Dep.Cali(COL)
    Lanús(ARG) o Caracas(VEN)

    Grupo 4
    Atlético-MG(BRA)(actual Campeón)
    Nacional de Asunción(PAR)
    Zamora(VEN)
    Independiente de Sta.Fe(COL) o Monarcas Morelia(MÉJ)

    Grupo 5
    Cruzeiro(BRA)
    Defensor Sporting(URU)
    Real Garcilaso(PER)
    Univ.de Chile(CHI) o Guaraní(PAR)

    Grupo 6
    Newell's old boys(ARG)
    Gremio(BRA)
    Atlético Nacional(COL)
    Nacional de Montevideo(URU) u Oriente Petrolero(BOL)

    Grupo 7
    Bolívar(BOL)
    Flamengo(BRA)
    Emelec(ECU)
    León(MÉJ)

    Grupo 8
    Peñarol(URU)
    Arsenal(ARG)
    Dep.Anzoátegui(VEN)
    Santos Laguna(MÉJ)


    PRIMERA FASE Grupo Hora local Partido Hora GMT
    28-ene ganador 6 19.00 ORIENTE PETROLERO (BOL) X NACIONAL (URU) 23.00
    28-ene ganador 5 19.15 MORELIA (MEX) X IND STA FE (COL) 01.15+
    29-ene ganador 1 19.00 SP CRISTAL (PERU) X A PARANAENSE (BRA) 00.00
    29-ene ganador 2 19.00 DEPORTIVO QUITO (ECU) X BOTAFOGO (BRA) 00.00
    30-ene ganador 3 20.00 UNIV.DE CHILE (CHI) X GUARANI (PAR) 23.00
    30-ene ganador 4 20.45 CARACAS FC (VEN) X LANUS (ARG) 01.15+

    PRIMERA FASE
    04-feb ganador 6 21.00 NACIONAL (URU) X O PETROLERO (BOL) 23.00
    04-feb ganador 5 20.30 IND STA FE (COL) X MORELIA (MEX) 01.30+
    05-feb ganador 1 22.00 A.PARANAENSE (BRA) X S CRISTAL (PER) 00.00
    05-feb ganador 2 22.00 BOTAFOGO (BRA) X DEP QUITO (ECU) 00.00
    06-feb ganador 3 19.30 GUARANI (PAR) X UNIV.DE CHILE (CHI) 22.30
    06-feb ganador 4 22.00 LANUS (ARG) X CARACAS FC (VEN) 01.00+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    11-feb 2 GANADOR 2 X SAN LORENZO (ARG) 22.00
    11-feb 4 19.45 ZAMORA (VEN) X A MINEIRO (BRA) 00.15+
    11-feb 8 18.15 SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) X ARSENAL (ARG) 00.15+
    11-feb 1 21.30 UNIVERSITARIO (PER) X VELEZ (ARG) 02.30+
    11-feb 4 GANADOR 5 X NACIONAL (PAR) 02.30+
    12-feb 8 17.15 D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) X PEÑAROL (URU) 21.45
    12-feb 7 18.00 LEON (MEX) X FLAMENGO (BRA) 00.00
    12-feb 5 19.00 R. GARCILASO (PER) X CRUZEIRO (BRA) 00.00
    12-feb 3 21.15 DEPORTIVO CALI (COL) X C.PORTEÑO (PAR) 02.15+
    13-feb 1 GANADOR 1 X THE STRONGEST (BOL) 22.00
    13-feb 5 GANADOR 3 X DEF. SPORTING (URU) 22.00
    13-feb 3 GANADOR 4 X O´HIGGINS (CHI) 00.15+
    13-feb 6 GANADOR 6 X GREMIO (BRA) 00.15+
    13-feb 6 21.30 A.NACIONAL (COL) X NEWELLS (ARG) 02.30+
    13-feb 7 21.30 EMELEC (ECU) X BOLIVAR (BOL) 02.30+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    18-feb 8 21.15 PEÑAROL (URU) X SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) 23.15
    18-feb 2 20.30 IND DEL VALLE (ECU) X U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) 01.30+
    19-feb 5 20.30 DEF. SPORTING (URU) X R. GARCILASO (PER) 22.30
    19-feb 7 20.45 BOLIVAR (BOL) X LEON (MEX) 00.45+
    19-feb 3 21.45 O´HIGGINS (CHI) X DEP CALI (COL) 00.45+
    20-feb 4 20.00 NACIONAL (PAR) X ZAMORA (VEN) 23.00
    20-feb 1 21.15 THE STRONGEST (BOL) X UNIVERSITARIO (PER) 01.15+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    25-feb 5 17.30 CRUZEIRO (BRA) X GANADOR 3 20.30
    25-feb 1 19.45 VELEZ (ARG) X GANADOR 1 22.45
    25-feb 6 22.00 GREMIO (BRA) X A NACIONAL (COL) 01.00+
    25-feb 8 22.00 ARSENAL (ARG) X D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) 01.00+
    26-feb 2 19.45 U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) X GANADOR 2 22.45
    26-feb 3 19.45 CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) GANADOR 4 22.45
    26-feb 7 22.00 FLAMENGO (BRA) X EMELEC (ECU) 01.00+
    26-feb 4 22.00 A MINEIRO (BRA) X GANADOR 5 01.00+
    27-feb 2 19.30 SAN LORENZO (ARG) X IND DEL VALLE (ECU) 22.30
    27-feb 6 21.45 NEWELLS (ARG) X GANADOR 6 00.45+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    11-mar 5 19.00 DEF. SPORTING (URU) X CRUZEIRO (BRA) 22.00
    11-mar 1 20.15 THE STRONGEST (BOL) X VELEZ (ARG) 00.15+
    11-mar 8 19.45 D.ANZOATEGUI (VEN) X SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) 00.15+
    11-mar 6 19.15 A.NACIONAL (COL) X GANADOR 6 00.15+
    11-mar 5 21.30 R. GARCILASO (PER) X GANADOR 3 02.30+
    11-mar 7 21.30 EMELEC (ECU) X LEON (MEX) 02.30+
    12-mar 2 17.45 IND DEL VALLE (ECU) X GANADOR 2 22.45
    12-mar 2 19.45 SAN LORENZO (ARG) X UNION ESPAÑOLA (CHI) 22.45
    12-mar 7 22.00 FLAMENGO (BRA) X BOLIVAR (BOL) 01.00+
    12-mar 4 22.00 NACIONAL (PAR) X A MINEIRO (BRA) 01.00+
    12-mar 4 20.30 ZAMORA (VEN) X GANADOR 5 01.00+
    13-mar 8 19.00 ARSENAL (ARG) X PEÑAROL (URU) 22.00
    13-mar 6 21.15 GREMIO (BRA) X NEWELLS (ARG) 00.15+
    13-mar 3 21.15 O´HIGGINS (CHI) X CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) 00.15+
    13-mar 1 21.30 UNIVERSITARIO (PER) X GANADOR 1 02.30+
    13-mar 3 21.30 DEP CALI (COL) X GANADOR 4 02.30+
    50

    SEGUNDA FASE
    18-mar 5 GANADOR 3 X R. GARCILASO (PER) 22.45
    18-mar 6 GANADOR 6 X A NACIONAL (COL) 22.45
    18-mar 2 GANADOR 2 X IND DEL VALLE (ECU) 01.00+
    18-mar 1 22.00 VELEZ (ARG) X THE STRONGEST(BOL) 01.00+
    18-mar 4 GANADOR 5 X ZAMORA (VEN) 01.00+
    18-mar 8 21.15 SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) X D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) 03.15+
    19-mar 4 19.45 A.MINEIRO (BRA) X NACIONAL (PAR) 22.45
    19-mar 8 19.45 PEÑAROL (URU) X ARSENAL (ARG) 22.45
    19-mar 7 21.00 BOLIVAR (BOL) X FLAMENGO (BRA) 01.00+
    19-mar 6 22.00 NEWELLS (ARG) X GREMIO (BRA) 01.00+
    19-mar 7 19.00 LEON (MEX) X EMELEC (ECU) 01.00+
    20-mar 1 GANADOR 1 X UNIVERSITARIO (PER) 20.30
    20-mar 3 GANADOR 4 X DEPORTIVO CALI (COL) 22.45
    20-mar 3 19.45 CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) X O´HIGGINS (CHI) 22.45
    20-mar 2 22.00 U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) X SAN LORENZO (ARG) 01.00+
    20-mar 5 22.00 CRUZEIRO (BRA) X D SPORTING (URU) 01.00+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    25-mar 4 19.00 ZAMORA (VEN) X NACIONAL (PAR) 23.30
    25-mar 8 20.00 SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) X PEÑAROL (URU) 02.00+
    26-mar 6 GANADOR 6 X NEWELLS (ARG) 22.45
    26-mar 1 GANADOR 1 X VELEZ (ARG) 01.00+
    26-mar 3 20.00 DEPORTIVO CALI (COL) X O´HIGGINS (CHI) 01.00+
    26-mar 7 21.15 LEON (MEX) X BOLIVAR (BOL) 03.15+
    27-mar 3 GANADOR 4 X CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) 21.30
    27-mar 2 18.45 IND DEL VALLE (ECU ) X SAN LORENZO (ARG) 23.45
    27-mar 8 21.30 D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) X ARSENAL (ARG) 02.00+
    27-mar 1 21.00 UNIVERSITARIO(PER) X THE STRONGEST(BOL) 02.00+

    SEGUNDA FASE
    01-abr 5 19.00 R. GARCILASO(PER) X DEF. SPORTING (URU) 00.00
    01-abr 4 GANADOR 5 X A.MINEIRO (BRA) 02.15+
    02-abr 2 GANADOR 2 X U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) 22.45
    02-abr 7 20.00 EMELEC (ECU) X FLAMENGO (BRA) 01.00+
    02-abr 6 20.00 A NACIONAL (COL) X GREMIO (BRA) 01.00+
    03-abr 5 GANADOR 3 X CRUZEIRO (BRA) 00.00

    SEGUNDA FASE
    08-abr 1 19.45 VELEZ (ARG) X UNIVERSITARIO (PER) 22.45
    08-abr 1 18.45 THE STRONGEST(BOL) X GANADOR 1 22.45
    08-abr 3 22.00 CERRO PORTEÑO (PAR) X DEP CALI (COL) 01.00+
    08-abr 3 22.00 O´HIGGINS (CHI) X GANADOR 4 01.00+
    09-abr 2 19.45 U ESPAÑOLA (CHI) X IND DEL VALLE (ECU) 22.45
    09-abr 2 19.45 SAN LORENZO (ARG) X GANADOR 2 22.45
    09-abr 7 22.00 FLAMENGO (BRA) X LEON (MEX) 01.00+
    09-abr 7 21.00 BOLIVAR (BOL) X EMELEC (ECU) 01.00+
    09-abr 5 22.00 CRUZEIRO (BRA) X R. GARCILASO (PER) 01.00+
    09-abr 5 22.00 DEF. SPORTING (URU) X GANADOR 3 01.00+
    10-abr 4 17.30 A.MINEIRO (BRA) X ZAMORA (VEN) 20.30
    10-abr 4 17.30 NACIONAL (PAR) X GANADOR 5 20.30
    10-abr 8 19.45 PEÑAROL (URU) X D ANZOATEGUI (VEN) 22.45
    10-abr 8 19.45 ARSENAL (ARG) X SANTOS LAGUNA (MEX) 22.45
    10-abr 6 22.00 NEWELLS (ARG) X A NACIONAL (COL) 01.00+
    10-abr 6 22.00 GREMIO (BRA) X GANADOR 6 01.00+

    -----------------------------------------

    Me parece que los grupos 3 y 6 son los "de la muerte".
     
  10. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    That wouldn't work because FIFA is requiring the release of all World Cup players by May 26.
    http://www.fifa.com/mm/Document/Wor...IMC2013-2018FIFAversionv28May2013_Neutral.pdf

    Spanish wikipedia lists these dates for the knockout rounds:
    Octavos de final: 16 Abril ...... 30 Abril
    Cuartos de final:..7 Mayo ...... 14 Mayo
    Semifinales:....... 23 Julio ...... 30 Julio
    Finales:................ 6 Agosto .... 13 Agosto
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Libertadores_2014
     
  11. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I never understood it. It's completely idiotic to play tournament and then to make a 2 months break and return to the final stage in a different form and most of the clubs will be with different players. I love latin soccer, but CONMEBOL has a lot to learn from UEFA regarding tournaments organization.
     
  12. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Copa Libertadores will have an 11 week break between the group stage and knockout rounds.

    The UEFA Champions League is currently on a 10-11 week break between the group stage and knockout rounds (half the clubs will have a 10 week break, 11 weeks for the other half) with the winter transfer window open in between this time.

    I don't understand it. What exactly does CONMEBOL need to learn from UEFA? [​IMG]
     
  13. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Simple. Because in europe they play full season from August to June with the CL in it. Same squad, same coach (90% of the times), while in all South American countries they play two tournaments in one year which usually cause a lot of changes between one tournament and another. I'll give you Colombia for example: We will start the season in January untill May or early June with a certain squad. The next tournament will start in July or early August and there are lot's of changes like in any break between the tournaments. So we can play with one team until the semi finl, then some key players can be sold abroad and we can remain without our key players who brought us to the semi final for the last stages in this tournament. Do you still don't understand what is wrong in here?
     
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  14. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    So you're saying that teams in South America have more player turnover midyear than European teams do mid-season.
    Yeah, I can understand that a little.
    But in regards to the Copa Libertadores, what are a few examples where a quarterfinalist advanced, lost a key player through transfer, and had to play on without him?
     
  15. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I don't have a specific example at the moment but it's not something unreasonable. If my club will qualify to the semi final and the games will be after the world cup, it's not that hard to believe that two of our key players which play in the national team, will be transferred after the WC and basically will miss the semi final and maybe the final also, even though they were a vital part of our campaign. All I'm saying is that CONMEBOL needs to finish it's tournament on time because of the fact that every country in the continent (maybe except Peru) plays two different tournament in a year.
     
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  16. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I understand the possibility strongly exists. I'm just not aware of a club that has had to deal with the situation and was hoping for a few examples.
    As for finishing the Libertadores "on time", perhaps it's the domestic leagues in South America that need to change their formats along the lines of European leagues. Because it sounds like you're asking CONMEBOL to condense the Libertadores to fit within a 5-6 month time frame (January-June?) and that kind of organizing is not something they can learn from UEFA.
     
  17. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I know in 2006 the World Cup break didn't benefit River in the Libertadores. We tied the first leg (played in May) with Libertad 2-2, being unable to take advantage of our game domination, and ended up losing 3-1 in the second leg (played in July) after having somewhat of a change in squad: Montenegro -who was one of our best players that entire cup and scored one of the two goals in the first leg- left to a different team, Caceres' loan concluded and disrupted the locker room, Farias -who was our topscorer and scored the second goal in the first leg- was injured and operated during the break, etc.

    I'm sure there are plenty of other examples out there. If anything they should just start the Copa earlier, IMO. The most important stages are played after the World Cup, and that just happens to be when the participating teams will need those key players the most. Perhaps Brazilian clubs won't be affected too much by this and will take advantage, but the rest of the teams will surely be losing more than what they'll win from that break.
     
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  18. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Playing two legs over a period of two months is ridiculous. Everyone can agree with that.
    It's one thing to knock the format, but why not present an alternative while doing so?

    UEFA usually releases its schedule for the Champions and Europa League over a year in advance, and all matches are scheduled for midweek. It's then up to the domestic leagues to schedule their competitions around them, and since European leagues are played out over a period of 9-10 months there's few reasons to play league games during midweek. Thus, no clashes.
    As it is now, each matchday of the Libertadores group stage is scattered over a period of 2-3 weeks: Group 1 may have one match played one week, the other match played the following week; Group 2 could be on matchday 3 while Group 3 is on matchday 4; etc.
    If CONMEBOL were to release a fixed schedule for the Libertadores where all games for each matchday are played within one midweek, would domestic leagues be able to schedule around them? Or does the Libertadores schedule individual matches around domestic leagues?
    Do the domestic national leagues in South America play rounds during midweek? Or only on weekends?

    I know I'm probably taking this discussion a bit too far but I find it worthless to say, "I don't like this format/scheduling" without offering up an alternative. Complaints are easy to make but not so easy to resolve.
     
  19. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I Wouldn't mind if the leagues would adjust the European format, but I don't find it practic to change format of 9 leagues rather then change format of one competition. Beside, the WC wasn't a surprise for the CONMEBOL, right? In Colombia, the federation change the format this year so we can make it until June because of this major event. So I'm pretty sure that the CONMEBOL can squeeze the games into shorter period of time in order to finish it on time. It may be a busy calender for the clubs, but in Europe they also play 2 and sometimes 3 games a week. I'm sorry, I find it useless to start a tournament with a certain squad and perhaps finish it with other squad.
     
  20. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    If you're only willing to give the 9 league priority in the scheduling, then the only format that would satisfy your desire to finish the Libertadores by June would be to make the tournament an all-knockout competition with no group stage.

    Fwiw, since I'm a huge proponent of the FIFA Club World Cup I would rather see the Libertadores take place from July-December rather than January-June, if it was possible.
     
  21. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Change the Libertadores format was basically referring to adjust the 2014 Libertadores calender to the WC since we all knew that this event will come in June. Other then that, I don't give a damn when the Libertadores will take place, I just hope that we will start and finish it without any long break between.
     
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  22. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    After the World Cup there's the 2015 Copa America to deal with. And to a lesser extent, the 2017 Confederations Cup. So it's not just a one year thing.
     
  23. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #48 pibe10, Dec 25, 2013
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2013
    I talked in general, not only for 2014. The CONMEBOL needs to start and finish both Libertadores and Sudamericana pretty much similar to the different leagues. And honestly, I don't understand why is it so hard for you to accept that. Is it that something weird to ask? The club which participate in these competition will suffer from a bit more fatigue but they already taking it in consider. It's much better then to have a great campaign until the semi final and then to lose you best stars near the end just because he wanted to move to Europe and the major Euro clubs are having a pre-season camp so he must join them.
     
  24. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    As I mentioned earlier, it's easy to complain, bitch and moan about something. I don't think you understand how difficult it is to accomplish what you want.
    I believe it's impossible to condense the Libertadores from start to finish within a five-six month period (January-June, for example) with the current format of group stage + knockout rounds. Especially when you're giving priority to the domestic leagues and want CONMEBOL to schedule around them. That's probably the situation they're in now, and it's clearly tough for them to deal with. The leagues need to schedule around CONMEBOL, much like the European leagues schedule around UEFA.
    Prove me wrong. The time you've spent arguing about the Libertadores' schedule, you could have drawn up a detailed plan of when each matchday/jornada was played and presented it to show that it can be done, keeping in mind that you need to avoid playing games when the nine domestic leagues are playing their games (since you want CONMEBOL to schedule around the domestic leagues).
    I don't think it's possible. If it was, I'm sure CONMEBOL would do it for the very reasons you want.
     
  25. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    I gotta agree with @pibe10 on this one. Sure UEFA CL has a 10-11 week break between group-stage and KO stage. That's a lot different than going on a 10-11 week break right before the semis. That just kills any momentum the tournament has built up. I find it very difficult to get interested in the Copa Lib again unless a team I really care about made the final 4. Especially while dealing with World Cup hangover.

    I also don't see what is so difficult to fix this. Just have the group-stage start a couple of weeks later and play the entire KO stage after the World Cup. Or alternatively, have the group-stage go from Sept-early Dec and the knockout stage from mid-Feb to mid-May. The fact that the KO stage is so condensed is another problem. With all the travel involved its ridiculous that teams have to play almost every mid-week.
     
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