Copa Libertadores 2009 [R]

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  1. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    if you compare it o 1960(santos) title, is recent MENGAO


    TEAMS LIKE COBRELOA, AMERICA DE CALI, BARCELONA DE GUAYAQUIL have done quite good in libertadores too
     
  2. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Es que la distancia de Santiago a Calama que ofrece salas suficiente para la concentracion de una seleccion, con estadio, y otras comodidades etc, es un viaje largo para jugadores con varios compromisos en comparacion con Lima adonde pueden viajar a Huancayo que esta mucho mas cerca.
     
  3. Spencer

    Spencer Member

    Mar 11, 2002
    Quito
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    D. Cuenca 3-0 D. Anzoategui
    Marcador global D. Cuenca 3-2 D. Anzoategui:cool:

    Y pudo haber sido un 5-0 minimo...se comieron algunos goles
    3 Ecuatorianos en la fase de grupos que bueno, y las cosas volvieron a la normalidad en esta serie...
    Se salvo el Cuenquita de hacer el ridiculo y perder con los beisboleros:D
     
  4. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    csm, yo queria que pasar el anzoategui

    pero bueno habra 4 ecuatorianos por primera vez, buena monederos
     
  5. colombo

    colombo Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    4 no 3, a uno ya lo "raped" de local :D
     
  6. Spencer

    Spencer Member

    Mar 11, 2002
    Quito
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Que dios te oiga:D
    Pero no creo que el Nacho remonte el peor partido que ha hecho en su historia:eek:
    Pero bueno no importa a veces no todo sale perfecto y con 3 equipos tengo suficientes partidos para gozar;)
    Y que querias que el anzoategui gane me lo hubiera imaginado jeje...
     
  7. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    o de veras el nacional esta eliminado.....

    y si queria ver al anzoategui, ayer me gusto el waterpolo de argentina y brasil
     
  8. BigSoccer Bot

    BigSoccer Bot I am not real.

    Feb 25, 2005
    News: Sao Paulo, próximo rival rojo

    La abultada victoria 4-0 conseguida en casa con la tripleta de Jackson Martínez y la destacada actuación ayer del portero Aldo Bobadilla le permitieron al Independiente Medellín asegurar su continuidad en la Copa Santander Libertadores.

    More...
     
  9. Arthur V

    Arthur V Member

    Dec 29, 2008
    Brasilia, BRASIL
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Exactly.
     
  10. Futjol

    Futjol New Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Me imagino ya habran visto esto:

    Segun la conmebol:

    RANKING GENERAL (los mejores de cada pais)

    Peñarol (Uru) - 1094 pts
    Boca (Arg) - 1023 pts
    Olimpia (Par) - 910 pts
    Sao Paulo FC (Bra) - 702 pts
    Colo Colo (Chi) - 533 pts
    Atletico Nacional (Col) - 490 pts
    Universitario (Per) - 430 pts
    Barcelona (Ecu) - 420 pts
    Bolivar (Bol) - 396 pts
    Deportivo Galicia (Ven) - 108 pts

    RANKING GENERAL TABLA HISTORICA DE LA COPA LIBERTADORES

    1. River Plate (ARG) - 495 pts
    2. Peñarol (URU) - 491 pts
    3. Nacional (URU) - 479 pts
    4. Boca Juniors (ARG) - 385 pts
    5. Olimpia (PAR) - 381 pts
    6. Cerro Porteño (PAR) - 343 pts
    7. America (COL) - 319 pts
    8. Colo Colo (CHI) - 279 pts
    9. Bolivar (BOL) - 276 pts
    10. Universidad Catolica (CHI) - 255 pts
    11. Universitario (PER) - 246 pts
    12. Sao Paulo FC (BRA) - 231 pts
    13. Independiente (ARG) - 230 pts
    14. Barcelona SC (ECU) - 230 pts
    15. Palmeiras (BRA) - 225 pts

    Que tabla mas rara, pero bueno. Si Mexico esta puesto 8 en la tabla del mundo, no veo porque Bolivar pueda estar 9 en la tabla de la Copa Libertadores.
     
  11. Caturro

    Caturro Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    Chile
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    La respuesta a tu pregunta es facil: ese ranking de la CONMEBOL es una ************, donde se le da demasiada relevancia al numero de participaciones y dejan de lado otros aspectos como la eficacia. Es lo unico que puede explicar la falta de representantes brasileños en el top ten...
     
  12. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I'm beginning to think these rankings - FIFA, CONMEBOL, what not - are utter trash.

    Look at this list. Rio da Prata, winners in 1986 and 1996 - how are they ahead of:

    Peñarol who has 3 titles?
    Boca Júniores who has 6 titles?
    São Paulo who has 3 titles?
    Independente who has 7 titles?
     
  13. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    just think about this...., clubs like Bolivar, Universitario de Deportes, Sporting Cristal, Universidad Catolica have many participations in CL....


    in the case of brazil, you guys should also revise something.... how many brazilian teams have more than 20, 25, 30 participations in CL?

    teams like paysandu, sao caetano, criciuma, guarani, goias, juventude, sport recife they all once made it copa libertadores
     
  14. viscajunior

    viscajunior Member+

    Aug 3, 2008
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Ese delantero de Peñarol, Franco... malisimo!!!!
     
  15. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That table is based on points, meaning you get points from total games won and tied. To answer your question, River have played far many more Libertadores than Independiente, for example, ultimately winning many more total games then them.
     
  16. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Yes, I know they use a W-L tally to computer the stats.

    However, and while this is not a shot at your team, Rio da Prata is not near the summit. It won in 1986 and in 1996 and it did so deservingly, but other teams (Independiente, Boca, Penarol, Olimpia of Paraguay, Nacional, SPFC, Estudantes da Prata) have won it more times and several others have won it as many times (Gremio, Cruzeiro, Santos).
     
  17. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I never said River is historically better than Independiente, Boca, Penarol, etc. in the Libertadores. I was just clarifying how River was ahead of those teams in the Libertadores points ranking.
     
  18. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Well, there you go. They get shut out at home, is this not enough proof that altitude is a bunch of head games??? I think it plays a part, but if your an athlete it isnt that big a deal. If your overweight, unhealthy, high blood pressure, etc. then you will have problems.

    Altitude IMO is overrated, the game tonight should prove what the brasilians fear so much.
    Potosi didnt look to bad to beat tonight, again i think the whole altitude argument is overrared and overdone. No biggie tonight.


    Didnt play a big part tonight. Maybe it doesnt matter? :p
     
  19. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Proved nothing. Palmeiras already had a favorable result and just sat on it. They didn't have to go after nothing. They scored on two plays were Potosi's players made errors. This is also probably the most poorly prepared Potosi team in the last 3 years. All of their players are fat and out of shape.

    This game isn't going to do nothing to change my opinion. There are many more games that favor the effects of altitude than not.
     
  20. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    ^^^They won, potosi lost. IMO Its all about home games, the home team always for the most time has the mentality over teams because they are at home, look at Palmeiras. They whooped. Look at i think at 07' when Bolivar played boca at home, the altitude didnt do shit for them to tie 0-0. Then bolivar went to Argentina and lost 7-0.

    Its all about home team adavantage, the altitude IMO is just a mind ********, if the team is good, they'll win at home as a result.
     
  21. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Estudantes da Prata gets in. Let's see what Veron can do in 2009.

    Palmeiras makes it 6 for 6 in 2009 - they won in Bolivia. Not bad at all. Looks like Vanderlei Luxemburgo is crafting another solid squad, not unlike the Palmeiras of 1996 or the Corinthians of 1998-1999. But Luxa has never done well in mata-mata (that's a Portuguese slang for cup elimination rounds for you not fortunate enough to speak the language of the Brazilians :D), which leads me to conclude that Palmeiras' fans have to temper their excitement.

    Still, Palmeiras is looking like a pretty solid squad. If they keep this up, they should at the very least reach the Libertadores quarterfinals.
     
  22. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    estudiantes won and advanced, 2-2 was the global score, bad luck for cristal, we were that close to advance to second round!

    still good luck to estudiantes
     
  23. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The altitude did do something for Bolivar. It allowed them to tie a clearly superior Boca side.

    Palmeiras players are all talking about the effects of the altitude during the interviews. Like I said, they had a result and sat on it. Potosi were the ones that had to run around and attack.
     
  24. Mosco

    Mosco Member+

    Dec 1, 2004
    Sun Valley, CA
    I can't belive Pachuca is not taking total chance of the Chilian player red carded. If I was Enrique Meza I would throw an all out attack
     
  25. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Bolivar didnt dominate, in fact were lucky not to lose. They had many close calls and posts if i remember right.

    Sounds like just more altitude whining. Bottom line, altitude isnt a factor, and shouldnt stop teams from beating bolivian ones in a home and away series, unless the bolivian team is superior, or any altitude team for that matter.

    It isnt a big factor like many people think IMO. Its more mental.
     

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