News: Copa America to align with Euros

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Unak78, Mar 20, 2017.

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How do you feel about this turn of events?

  1. Happy about this and all it entails...

    21 vote(s)
    58.3%
  2. Happy about the fact that they're switching to the Euro schedule... pero en los Estados Unidos...

    11 vote(s)
    30.6%
  3. Not happy about any of this and I hate change. I don't even like to change clothes,... or bathwater

    4 vote(s)
    11.1%
  1. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    True, but presumably most people have the time to watch one or possibly two games a day, which will be more likely UEFA games I suspect.
     
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  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Which reminds me, the Copa and Euro finals are on the same day in 2020! Hopefully not the same time, but it could be if the Copa final is an afternoon kickoff like it was this year.
    The Euro final kicks off at 14h00 Colombia time.
     
  3. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    It would probably come down to which kickoff times are more convenient for each region of the planet.
    Euro obviously works great for Africa and fairly well for the Middle East while Copa is more suited for North America and perhaps the Far East.
     
  4. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Well, if they care about other countries when deciding on kickoff times, then the copa final could very well overlap with the Euro final. Brasilians, Argentines, Uruguayans love Sunday afternoon football.
     
  5. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Depends where you live. Euro games for me are all in the middle of the night so I don't watch many of them. Copa America games are in the mornings so I can spend saturday and sunday morning watching games. In 2016 I watched more games from the American tournament than the European one for that reason.
     
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  6. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Sorry, my reply was more in response to @r0adrunner regarding people having time to watch one or two matches per day. I hadn't seen your post when I began typing my reply but I should have quoted him irregardless ( :D ). @almango basically gave an example of what my point was.
     
  7. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I think most people attending the Copa America Final would want it to take place at night.
    Barranquilla in the middle of the day in July will be scorching like the surface of the sun.
     
  8. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    If it would improve the TV ratings or brought in more money they would put it on the sun.
     
  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    This is true.
    But conflicting with the Euro seems to logically bring in less ratings so it would be counter-productive in that regard as well.

    Remember the 2016 Centenario Final was in the evening hours so it is not unprecedented to play play an evening Final.
     
  10. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Though I doubt the final wouldn’t be in one of the 3 main cities in Colombia (Bogota, Medillin, Cali).

    And nobody in South America cares about the Euros, so it would have zero impact on ratings.
     
  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    #586 HomietheClown, Jul 27, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2019
    From what I am hearing Barranquilla will host the Final.

    Two of the biggest Television contracts for the Copa America are from the USA and Qatar. Those markets care about the Euro so there is an impact.
     
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  12. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I was under the impression Euro Cup rivals Copa America for interest across Latin America, although the value of the respective TV contracts would confirm this or otherwise.
     
  13. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing official yet from CONMEBOL itself, but El Observador in Uruguay is reporting that the knockout round will be mixed: the 3rd- and 4th-place finishers in each group will have to travel to face the 1st and 2nd teams in the opposite group in the quarterfinals.

    Still not a fan of the format...but if this is true, then I like the multiple incentives at play. Top 2 means you move on and get to stay at your base, while 3rd or 4th means you'll have to uproot everything and travel ~5,000 km for your next game :eek:

    The only downside is that as things stand, there's a non-zero chance Argentina would have to bail to Colombia for the QFs :D
     
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  14. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    That would make alot of sense.

    Yeah, the travel distance is almost 3 times as far as the distance between the Russian cities of Kaliningrad and Ekaterinberg, to use the largest host nation to ever host a major tournament before as a reference.
     
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  15. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    The draw has been made:

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Sets up well for Colombia to win.
    (Hope and pray it happens.)
     
  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Going back to this...
    ... I think it is VERY safe to say that the Final is going to be at Night. 1) To not conflict with the Euro Final which is at 3PM Eastern USA time. and 2) The Final has been officially scheduled for the aforementioned city of Barranquilla.


    Also going back to my guess about Chile, Argentina did in fact based them in Mendoza which is a very smart move on their behalf to start out the tournament. Almost guarantees those two matches to be sellouts and filled with red in the stands.
     
  18. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    What did they draw? Which group Qatar would be in? Amazing that this draw kinda flew under the radar. Can’t believe the whole world wasn’t waiting for it with baited breath. :rolleyes:

    This thread title is spot on - Copa aligning with Euros (by having “draws” that are 90% predetermined/rigged). Well... more like 90% predetermined for the Copa, 60% predetermined for the Euros. CONMEBOL winning the stupidity contest again.
     
  19. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Well, CONMEBOL wants to make money without the USA this time around.
    So they learned from the CONCACAF the best way to do it.

    Rig it in a way that best fits their pocketbooks.
     
  20. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    They drew which groups the visitors would be in and also the order of games. I think the groups as they stand are reasonably well balanced and as the top 4 go through if a favoured nation doesn't make it its really their own fault rather than the draw.
     
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  21. rooboy91

    rooboy91 Member

    Apr 25, 2007
    Perth, Australia
    Club:
    Perth Glory
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Just need them to officially confirm venues now.
     
  22. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And publish the regulations, so we learn how the knockout round will work. Hopefully the 3rd and 4th-place teams have to travel, to add some intrigue to the group stage (more incentive to fight for a top-2 finish) and avoid a whole bunch of repeat matches in the QFs.
     
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  23. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Incentive to avoid possible 10k km trip between group stage day 5 and semifinal. :D
     
  24. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    Isn't that already up - Wikipedia has a draw.

    Top 2 teams stay in their countries for the QFs and SFs (so 1st and 2nd in a group can't meet in the final). 3/4 and final in Colombia.

    J
     
  25. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #600 Paul Calixte, Jan 4, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2020
    EDIT: Forget everything I just said - you're right @JLSA . The full bracket is included on the last page of the draw preview, albeit with a TBC asterisk - thanks for the catch.
     

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