News: Copa America 2024

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  1. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Dorival, against Uruguay, remember YOLO: Use Endrick, Yan Cuoto instead of Danilo, help B Guimaraes and use D Luiz.
     
  2. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    So CONMEBOL admits they botched Vini's PK. VAR audio says they couldn't tell if the defender touched the ball. The video replay from behind Vini to the left clearly shows that Vini touches the ball away from the defender. Even if there was the very slightest of touches, touching the ball first isn't even a set rule. Might have cost us a SF spot. Oh well.
     
  3. ripalino

    ripalino Member

    Feb 26, 2013
    Sao Paulo
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Craque ( Vini ? ) ...............Jesus !!!!
     
  4. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Vinicius was awful for 90% of his Brazil's carrer and he is still bumped as the superstar. Martinelli should be awful on training, thats the only reason I can accept, because you can't judge the player for 5-10 minutes. He should have more minutes than Savio and Endrick.
     
  5. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Rodrygo isn't a CAM either, he can't play as a midfielder, he plays on his own, missing all the defensive work and can't bring the other players to the match. He is either a winger or a false nine in the team.
     
  6. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I finally saw Brazil v Colombia from end to end (twice) and while Colombia was better than Brazil, it was not dramatic.
    The problem continues to be the Brazil midfield. Colombia easily dominated Guimaraes, Gomes, Paqueta. Dorival must fix that problem asap.
     
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  7. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Today's press conference was with Andreas Pereira:

     
  8. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Argentina with a weak performance vs Ecuador. Lucky to make it through to be honest. Seems like everything keeps bouncing their way in the tough moments. Oh timinho cagão do c#$%@!
     
  9. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  10. ripalino

    ripalino Member

    Feb 26, 2013
    Sao Paulo
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Thats my point exactly. But this has been our case for a decade or more. Vinicius Jr is more of hype than anything else. Many will argue I know but thats the fact. I hope we produce some great talents in the future who are really good so that we dont have to assume an average player as our superstar.

    I know even a decent team can do well in international tournaments if they play as a cohesive team but there are enough players in our team who look ordinary ( I am sorry to say this ) . I have seen Vini lose ball or undecided in the P-Box
     
  11. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I only hope that the disappointing performance vs. Colombia, Vini Jr.'s unavailability, and potentially, feedback from players who (according to UOL) have begun to question Dorival's substitutions will impact him enough to become more flexible when selecting tomorrow's starting XI.
     
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  12. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Argentina was saved by the Ecuadorian player missing the PK in regulation by hitting the post, with the goalie jumping the other way. Really unlucky. And Ecuador had double the xG of Argentina (expected goals) as they had the best opportunities. Argentina was saved by their excellent goalkeeper who saved two PKs in the shootout. Ecuador fully deserved to win, but their goalkeeper is clearly less good than Argentina's which made the difference. Well, I guess, a goalkeeper is also part of a team so in a sense it was fair; after all, hitting the post still counts as a miss, an off-target shot. But if we look simply at who played better, there is no doubt that Ecuador did. So, the current double title holders (WC and Copa America) almost getting eliminated by lowly Ecuador doesn't bode well for them. However they have an easy semifinal, against either Venezuela or Canada, two teams that are way below Argentina's level. But I do hope that they lose the final given that on the other side of the bracket, there are much better teams.
     
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  13. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    #438 Brasitusa, Jul 5, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2024
    It is true that Vini hasn't been great for Brazil, but have you followed his career with Real Madrid? He is truly excellent for them. He practically won the Champions League on his own. I do believe that he qualifies as a superstar, however, maybe he only performs well under a formidable coach like Ancelotti, and with companions who are used to playing with him. But calling him "more of a hype than anything else" is a bit harsh on him.

    Because, see, even Lionel Messi had a long string of mediocre games for Argentina (especially in finals when he tended to disappear), seemed unable to win trophies with Argentina, and appeared to be much weaker when playing for Argentina than when playing for his clubs (to the point that even the Argentine fans started to question him and to protest against him; so intensely that at one point Messi said he would no longer play for his national team, frustrated with all the protests - he did change his mind later, but for a while - actually several months - he even gave up on playing for Argentina!), until he finally got it together and performed well for Argentina too, finally winning trophies with them.

    For the longest time, people said Messi was a club player only, not a national team player: incredibly talented, sure, but in need of a system built around him to perform at the highest level. Well, Messi did prove those doubters wrong, but he only did it much later in his national team career. And we are talking about Messi, one of the three best players of all time, together with Pelé and Maradona.

    So, let's give young Vini Jr some time to also blossom for the national team. I'm sure that at some point, Vini will get it together and deliver for Brazil too, like he does for Real Madrid.
     
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  14. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    I'm primarily an AC Milan fan but my second favorite team is Arsenal, and I followed Arsenal's entire last season; Martinelli performed really well for Arsenal, so I hope he is given more opportunities and more minutes for the national team. I am not as negative on Vini Jr, though. See my other response to ripalino above.
     
  15. XaviandXabi

    XaviandXabi Member

    May 4, 2005
    CT
    Paqueta sucks. Don't know who on the bench can replace him, but the guy is dead weight there.
     
  16. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
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  17. XaviandXabi

    XaviandXabi Member

    May 4, 2005
    CT
  18. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    The whole midfield has not worked IMO and I don't believe its a simple fix as changing Paqueta or Joao Gomes for Andreas Pereira and Douglas Luiz. The midfield lacks creativity .
     
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  19. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  20. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    The Celeste play physical against everybody but hope young Endrick doesn't get hurt.
     
  21. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Yeah, the concern is that Dorival is desperate now, after being conservative with Endrick and now suddenly choosing to start him in a quarter-final. Is it something he's thought about or is it a rash decision?

    We'll see.

    The Arana addition is also interesting, in that we are basically shaped like a 3 at the back defense when he is on (to be fair at times when Wendell was on too). Consider him and Raphinha as "alas" and Dorival is not that far from playing a 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 or whatever you want to label it. I don't think we're about to switch formations long-term, but I do think that his talk about using a 3 man backline in earlier press conferences is more than just talk and he is kind of doing that.
     
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  22. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    If Brazil do win the path is incredibly difficult.
     
  23. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Anthem gives me vibes.
     
  24. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Endrick meeds to stop with these cheap shots .
     
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  25. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    And the one he took?
     

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