Copa America 2015: Argentina vs Jamaica Group B

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by jimmi_moh, Jun 20, 2015.

  1. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    It's not a much different performance than say vs Iran, Bosnia, switzerland, belgium...
    The criticism is a little overboard but we have definitely been less than ruthless
     
  2. Bocatino

    Bocatino Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I hate how Romero just seems to kick it to the other team at the end of games. Argentina's best defence is having the ball. I hope they fix this for the knockout stages. Killer instinct keep the ball and we will suffer less.
     
  3. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I'm like you, I just don't get it, it's some kind of mental block players have when they put on the Argentina shirt. As soon as lose in the Copa we'll go back to hammering teams in friendly games. Confused, want to bang my head against a wall.
     
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  4. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  5. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    no but I really don't blame the defense that's what happens when u fail to capitalize on so many chances. The momentum shifts and suddenly the other team thinks they have a shot. Story of this team so far.
     
  6. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The issue is that teams just park the bus and the team has no idea how to break them down. If we don't score early in our next game, we are going to PK's.
     
  7. jimmi_moh

    jimmi_moh Member+

    Mar 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We dominated in midfield, but end result is same
     
  8. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Everybody's turning into statue after 40 minutes. So you gotta tell me these guys are tired already after 2 games? No joke, we wont beat Chili, Colombia or even Brazil at knockout stage by playing like this.

    Tata must go regardless the final outcome. He cant even get the best out of Messi or the frontlines like Sabella did at least during the qualifier. Messi always thrieve under Sabella.
     
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  9. Bocatino

    Bocatino Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Deja vu all 3 games ha-ha it's crazy. The team starts off dominating with the other time defending with everyone. It looks like they are going to win big, but completely forget to play the 2nd half. Argentina had the ball what 75% the first half, but can't seem to get it in the last ten minutes?

    In the end all that matters is the result. TATA needs to fix this. I always hear him talking about keeping the ball.
     
  10. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Part of that was because they made too many passess upfront. Like Higuain did in second half.
     
  11. Bocatino

    Bocatino Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Chili, Colombia, Brazil haven't played that great either so we might ha--ha. 1st half in all games we played well 2nd half not so much.
     
  12. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That's pretty much what going to happen.
     
  13. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    And if we go behind in a match then you can't see us coming back to win. I don't really have much belief that we can win this Copa.
     
  14. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Nothing like that, those Argentina teams were actually focused. Credit to Jamaica for the tenacious hustle they displayed but they aren't on the same level as Belgium or Switzerland. Bosnia and Iran is debatable. You were able to see it written all over Messi's face, the team literally lost the plot around him and he was frustrated.
     
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  15. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The thing is, they still managed to score despite not having possession or tons of chances like Argentina did. Oh, dont forget how many goals our frontlines had this season for their club.

    They put on the blue white jersey and their shooting accuracy down from 99 to 60 , their stamina down from 90 to 40, dribbles down from 95 to 30.
     
  16. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The problems facing Argentina in this tournament are the same ones facing Tata Martino's Barcelona... No focus, no intensity, having midweek asados, its ridiculous.

    And don't tell me that Colombia or Brasil didn't look good, the only game of 3 Argentina looked remotely intense in was vs. uruguay... Did you see the intensity Brasil-Colombia was played at? Or even today Uruguay vs. Paraguay had almost no quality, but the huevos and heart both teams showed was immense. Tonight they weren't ready to play and it goes from the beginning of the tournament, messi and di maria laughing...

    Its not just the forward line not finishing, its the whole team, its Garay missing a pass from 2 yards to rojo and hitting out of play! A professional player of his quality focused on his task 100% will never miss that pass in 100 tries. Garay is like 50-60% there the other part he's thinking of his vacations, same with half the team.
     
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  17. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    This is the biggest problem of not having goalscoring prowess. If you merely look at the final outcome for now, its 2 win and a draw, not a single lost but this is just a group stage. If you cant even beat the worst team in this tournament by more than a single goal , how you're going to top the host, Colombia, Brazil?

    Well hopefully Kun's return will fix that because he looks so dangerous even against ultra defensive Uruguay. Imagine PIpita playing in that match, we might need 270 minutes to score. The worst part of all, Tata rate Tevez higher than Lavezzi in national team without looking at their performance history!
     
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  18. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    I think he just watches the match in dismay.

    Diego was dumb.

    Tata is pecho frio.
     
  19. Bocatino

    Bocatino Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Maybe it's a blessing in disguise to not be the favorite. If the team finished all their chances in the 1st half and we won 5-0 today everyone would be jumping on the we are going to win it all bandwagon. Every game at the world cup was tight t0o.

    Every game has it's own challenges. Argentina is not at it's best, but we still won our group. Now every game is a final from now on.
     
  20. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    World cup is different. Every team we faced in World cup put a better performance than Paraguay, Uruguay did, let alone this Jamaican team ! At least Messi was superb in first 4 matches , scored two winners followed by a brace against Nigeria even though he only played less than 70 minutes. Tata is now putting Messi in no man's land situation.
     
  21. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Those games were intense and Argentina struggled to create. This match was relaxed and Argentina was carving up Jamaica at will despite of the complete laziness. In the collapse, the Jamaica raised the intensity a bit and Argentina kept jogging or walking around. LOL. Weird match.
     
  22. Bocatino

    Bocatino Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Chile tied a B/C Mexico team 3-3
    Colombia lost to Venezuela 0-1
    Brasil lost to Colombia 0-1 and barely beat Peru

    What makes those teams better than Argentina? Not saying Argentina wasn't great in the group, but better than all those teams yes. Give Uruguay respect we beat them and they are the current champs. I wouldn't be surprised if Uruguay eliminates Chile.
     
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  23. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Nobody is saying that they looked better, what most of us are complaining about the lack of focus from these guys. At least act like you care. Zero passion.
     
  24. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Read Rivergaucho post, Colombia and Brazil for intense, they put all their heart trying to win the game even though Brazil simply dont have the quality to win it but they played with skin of their teeth. All those teams you mentioned still look mobile after 40 minutes. Argentina players literally sleepwalking after 40 minutes mark.

    Everytime Messi receives the ball, he would walk for 5 secs and his teammate around him will just standing still.

    Apart from Aguero, none of our forwards has the confidence to score. Higuain passing the ball when he could have shoot, Messi keep trying to play one-two and barely even try to run pass 1 defender. What did he in Barcelona jersey few weeks ago ?
     
  25. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    To be honest, starters shouldn't even have been playing this match.
     

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