CONMEBOL: The door is open for MLS teams to play in Copa Libertadores

Discussion in 'CONMEBOL' started by Manolo, Oct 30, 2010.

  1. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    oh yes!!!!!!

    we dont have enough "over-the-hill 30 somethings on their way down" in the Libertadores...
     
  2. drunkguy10

    drunkguy10 El Sancho

    Dec 26, 2006
    No idea
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    "Dijo igualmente que también es partidario de la fusión entre la Conmebol y la Concacaf y de la posibilidad de que la Copa América pueda ser disputada por todos los países del continente. EFE"

    that would be intersting. An American(the real America, not the country) confederation.

    If Copa America was to be disputed among all American continents, it would rival the Euro and the World Cup, and it would force qualifiers similar to those for EuroCup.
     
  3. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    America, the country ?
    :confused:
    America is a big continent my friend, not a country at all.

    One thing is that US-americans don`t understand the name of their own country (United States OF America) and call themselves as americans as if it meant US-americans only, which is in fact incorrect, and another complete diferent issue is that the people of the whole continent, including US-americans, are entitled of calling themselves the same way, which in this case it would be correct.
    :)

    Btw, in relation to the topic, if there is a fusion or merging of Conferences (an issue, I would love), well I guess that it would be acceptable to have them play every tournament that all the teams in the new Conference are entitled to play. Otherwise (no fussion or merge), I hope it never happens, as I wish that Mexican teams also get excluded, after the behaviour their fans and team showed everybody during the finals of this years event, which imho, were absolutely out of place, and least of all by whom you considered you guest.
    I wouldn`t invite someone to my home, if that someone afterwards is going to spit out all kind o phallacies back at you. It was a shameful and disrespectful attitude towards your host.
     
  4. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    doubt it

    Mexico one of the powerhouses in concacaf already plays in Copa so all you would really be adding is the USA

    I hardly think adding CR, Panama and the like will rival the world cup

    tell you what does rival the euro's

    thats the Conmebol Qualifiers, the closest thing your gonna get to a league between countries

    be a shame that in their money hungry ways conmebol destroyed that
     
  5. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
  6. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    que entre MLS- no problem
    pero que no le quiten spots a bolivia o ecuador o venezuela

    que entren el grp com mejicanos o colombianos o ecuatorianos, las distancias serian horribles y el desgaste tremendo.

    se imaginan un juego on the early stages of copa in montevideo or Buenos aires? all the way from LAx or NYC?

    nada que ver! Mucho que perder
     
  7. drunkguy10

    drunkguy10 El Sancho

    Dec 26, 2006
    No idea
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I agree on everything you said. America is not a country, I just said "not the country" to not start another debate with the U.S. citizens that do not believe America is a single continent, because that is their justification for monopolizing the name. They say the rest are not Americans, that they are either South or North Americans.

    I'm not sure what you are referring to. Are you talking about the Argentina game? where the quarter finals were at stake and Mexicans lost control at the sight of having the game screwed up for them? or you mean the Libertadores final? I wasn't aware there was a problem, but that one Chivas lost it fare and square. In any case you should leave the chivas vs Boca Jrs. of a few years back, and you see what truly bad behavior is.
     
  8. drunkguy10

    drunkguy10 El Sancho

    Dec 26, 2006
    No idea
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    both conference would have things to gain. Conmebol will gain money but will be bringing its higher quality teams to the table, and Concacaf will gain more competitive exposure and bring in more money.

    if it doesn't happen the entire country should rally outside the fmf so we change confederations.

    pues que no se les ocurran quere quitarle los lugares a los Mexicanos. un tontos estaban diciendo el otro dia que Mexico deveria sacrificar un lugar en la Libertadores para la MLS:rolleyes:
     
  9. FLFootballFan

    FLFootballFan Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    Club:
    Nacional de Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia


    With the exception of the growing quality of the MLS and one or two from Honduras and Costa Rica......There's nothing new to bring in since Mexicans already play. A straight up merge to play the Libertadores would provide poorer games in the early rounds....It's already poor when you see Team A of Bolivia vs Team C of Peru......... If anything, merge by expanding the qualifying tournament mexicans play to qualify into the Copa Libertadores by adding other Concacaf champs........I guess you would have to make and/or get rid of the concacaf champions cup and remake it as a qualifier tournament to the Libertadores and Suramericana. It would be painful to see Guatemala's 2nd best playing Estudiantes de la Plata and even more depressing to see Trinidad & Tobago's champ playing some high altitude team from Bolivia.
     
  10. drunkguy10

    drunkguy10 El Sancho

    Dec 26, 2006
    No idea
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I meant merger of confederations, which means concacaf and conmebol countries qualify together to the WC. as far as Libertadores, we no longer have the interliga, now the teams with the highest points from the Apertura who do no have obligations with concacaf, qualify to Libertadores. Furthermore, Mexico has earned those spots, and we aren't sharing them with the rest of the teams.
     
  11. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    good grace no interliga- one of the rasons mexies present a team hot in january, not the real champ or runner up in the local tourney.


    No need to merge.

    all along, what copa liberta needed is an additional grp with top concacaf teams disputing the early stages to move onto the mix.



    2mexies- top MLS and top CR
     
  12. drunkguy10

    drunkguy10 El Sancho

    Dec 26, 2006
    No idea
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    2? We have 3 spots right now. why would we sacrifice them?
     
  13. pipevasquez

    pipevasquez Member+

    Sep 8, 2007
    Bogotá City
    Si se acepta la MLS; lo cual me parece una buena idea, para empezar la conmebol tiene que modificar y recontruir la cantidad de cupos por paises, entre otras cosas, se tiene que hacer mas equilibrada la situacion, basta de que Brasil tenga 6 cupos y otros dos, o Argentina, hay que reorganizar el torneo.
     
  14. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I was refering to everything that has happened lately with Mexico`s participation in CONMEBOL`s tournaments. Last year, Mexico was the center of a worlds epidemics and so it was perfectly comprehensible that Brazilian and Uruguayan teams were afraid of playing there, so as a matter of self determination they decided to not play the games they respectively had. But Mexico took it as a matter of national pride, saying that CONMEBOL was deliberately attacking their pride by accepting it, which was a very lousy attitude towards who has no obligation towards the "guests" in an extreme case as this one. People were getting infected and killed by an almost unknown virus in Mexico. If it would have been otherwise, say a killing infection in Uruguay, it would be perfectly comprehensible that any team would want to take a risk visiting Uruguay. It was a very lousy attitude by Mexico. CONMEBOL in its diplomacy, decided to grant Mexican teams a passage directly to knockout rounds as a gesture of good will for this years competition, but as every time one of the teams got closer to get eliminated in the field, their arguments were that once again CONMEBOL was trying to unfairly eliminate them on whatever reasons. You said it yourself about what happened in Argentina. It also happened when Universidad de Chile beat Chivas in Mexico, in the first match, and it also happened when Internacional outclassed Chivas in the finals. With "guests" that will have that lousy kind of poor loosers attitude, in our tournament, I don`t want to have them again as guests. That is what I meant. It hasn`t happened yet, since it hasn`t been played yet, but if Mexico comes to Copa America with an under 23 team as CONCACAF stated, it would be "the grape on top of the cake" , and I would also consider to not invite them again, since they don`t give credit to the quality of our tournament, where we have no obligations towards them, by accepting such a lousy decission from their Conference in regards to ours. If they accept it, it`s because they are cowards unable to stand for their own principles, or maybe those, ARE their principles, one way or the other doesn`t matter, with this lousy guests, it`s better to not have them at all.

    Mexico is a guest, not a CONMEBOL member, don`t forget that. Mexico hasn`t earned nothing in our tournaments, as guests are guests only when invited.

    If a merge would be the case, all our tournaments would have to get modifications in order to receive the new amount of teams in it. Some teams according to their powerful leagues would get more participants than others, some would pass directly to a second or third phase. It would change competely the format of the tournament, in comparisson to what we already know. Of course for first stages, geographical issues should have priority, but for later phases only the best should compete form wherever they come from, so we would not have lousy match ups. I don`t see such a big problem in it.

    If there isn`t a merge, in this case have MLS teams dispute with Mexican teams and the rest of the "non-gifted teams"(or should I say ?, crap) from CONCACAF a qualifier, to get the best of them in our tournament. If they don`t like it, well who cares.:p
    Maybe with this, Mexico will decide to use their best teams and not the ones that are sending to Copa Liberatdores nowdays.
    It`s our tournament, not theirs. We make the final call, not them.

    I personally, would also love the full merge of Conferences, with everything it means, but till then, our tournaments (Libertadores, Sudamericana, Copa America), are only ours. Mexico is only a guest and has nothing else but a formal very friendly invitation to participate with us, in them. Nothing more than that. Don`t forget it and don`t ever think that you have more than that, because you don`t. (it may sound harsh, but it is the truth. It`s better to talk with the truth, no matter how harsh it may seem, in order to avoid you from thinking what is not. That way we will always continue being friends)
    :)
     
  15. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Earned those spots? or BOUGHT THEM..LMAO..I say share it with the MLS.
     
  16. drunkguy10

    drunkguy10 El Sancho

    Dec 26, 2006
    No idea
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    same thing.

    As far as I know, Mexican clubs paid $200,000 to each Venezuelan club to share its two spots, and then Mexico received 3 spots by conmebol, which were earned.
     
  17. drunkguy10

    drunkguy10 El Sancho

    Dec 26, 2006
    No idea
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    1. the incident in Argentina refers to the Argentinian fans and staff assaulting Chivas players on the field, after Chivas eliminated Boca in quarter finals.

    2. the refusal to play the games in Mexico were just the last drop in the cup. I was a flu epidemic that was well known and for which there was a cure. Nevertheless, precautions were being taken to ensure the safety of the players.

    3. Mexico was the most pissed at the concacaf, but it is important to point out that a large part of our starting line up is of age for the olympic team, plus the 5 reforces, we should be able to compete at a high level.

    Now you are really going on a power trip. Mexico is culturally connected to conmebol, and through its performances and the massive profits it brings to the conmebol tournaments has earned the honorary guests spot. We are practically members, just one step away from making the move completely, which is why concacaf is trying to distant Mexico from conmebol.


    that I agree. the format would probably be similar to the one in Europe with the Libertadores being the main tournament and a sub competition similar to the uefa league. Concachampions and sudamericana would have to disappear, because Concacaf would no longer exist, and the confederation would be of the entire American continent not just South America. The Libertadores is a historical tournament and will obviously be the main tournament. The Gold Cup would also have to disappear, or create it as a qualifier for for the Copa America. Copa America would be the main tournament for Countries, and would have to expand to at least double its size or 32 teams.

    Now you are delusional. Mexico is worth a lot for Conmebol, there is a reason why Grondona and Leoz begged Mexico to not leave.


    I'm not sure what your problem with Mexico is, but as I said before, Mexico is technically part of conmebol, all we need is to make the formal switch and qualify in there. So, we are not just guests.;)
     
  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Frankly, the same strong cultural links between South America and Mexico exist between South America and Central America.

    The reason why Mexico is invited but not Guatemala is, basically, that Mexico brings more money, and more quality.

    Otherwise, the rest of the countries that speak Spanish in the region (Panama, CR, Nicaragua, Honduras, ES, Guatemala, Cuba, RD) should be invited once in a while, as soon as they have a good team (like, say, Saprissa or Olimpia).
     
  19. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    And guess who started that fiasco? as always!!! In Europe that player would pay a huge fine and serve a suspension for inciting a riot. Similiar to what Adebayor did when he scored against Arsenal.


    There is absolutley no Cultural connection. WE HAVE NOTHING in common except our language and even that is widely different.



    Just like they begged not to pull out of the Copa Sudamericana? which is weaker in standing, prestige and money. The Copa Sudamericana is better than ever.



    Mexico is technically part of Conmebol just like Honduras, Panama and Costa Rica.. LMAO..wannabes
     
  20. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    OK, granted (for your sanity, but what about after U.de Chile or Internacional ?. It was an embarrasing spectacle, for sure.) Remember if you are a guest and misbehave, in your lousy attitude, our whole image as a Conference is hurt. Must we have to explain ourselves to the world, for your lousy teams behaviour ? C`mon, be reasonable. Nothing excuses that lousy behaviour, nothing my friend. It`s unexcusable.

    How many people died in mexico ?.
    It`s a sad issue, and we empathized with your nations loss.
    It`s a pain, but facts remain. It was a big risk for them to go and play a game there. Afterwards, drugs and knowledge came in hand, but at the moment it was a very big risk not only for the players, but what they could bring with them from Mexico to their respective countries. It was an unknown Pandemic that had its origin in Mexico, at the moment, my friend, not a simple epidemic, very big diference. Also take in mind that for a game at this level, it`s not only the teams the ones that travel, but a whole mass of fans too, the possibilities of spreading the disease are multiple, so the health authorities in their respective countries, supported and even forced them not to concur, and put in jeopardy their health condition. My friend, I`m a health specialist and believe me, what they did was the most wisest decission on that time. In fact CONMEBOL, at the moment of the outbrake of that disease, should have expelled the Mexican teams at once, but they didn`t and left the crucial decission up to the respective countries. But given at what was up in stake (A countries whole health condition), finally had to support the teams decission as the correct one and from there on, Diplomacy was the key to treat with the Mexican Federation, nothing else.

    As I posted in another forum here in Bigsoccer, once before, Mexican`s were known to be proud people, but in the Mexican Federation they have fallen to a level where everybody can do whatever they want to with them. To me, it`s only a coward attitude, an attitude I don`t want to see around here in our tournament. Or you present yourself with the best, or it would be preferable, to not present yourself at all. Our tournaments are not a simple playground for your teams, to play in them as if they were in kindergarden or so. It`s our pride, the one you are messing around with. Don`t spoil it, or else you`ll never get invited again. (Think about the USA with their last presentation in the last Copa America).

    Mexico has shortened its bonds with CONMEBOL, but it still isn`t a member of it, as it still stays being a member of CONCACAF.
    Our tournaments, are ours. CONMEBOL`s full possession. Never a spot has been put in stake by inviting guests to it. Even as you may win our tournaments, your condition remains : guest.
    If ever CONMEBOL wishes to not invite you again, nothing that you can do or say will change, as you don`t have no vote in our Conference. Go to FIFA, and FIFA will tell you to go and argue at your Conference, which is CONCACAF. And maybe Mr. Warner will come here on your behalf (if you pay him enough money, :p), but he`ll end up receiving a kick in the "buttocks", as he has no business in CONMEBOL, even the guy who cleans the toilett seats at the bathrooms of the office`s of CONMEBOL, has more power than him, here.:D (just joking a little, but true).

    Don`t confuse diplomacy with needs, my friend. Mexico is a big asset for CONMEBOL, true, but it is expendable if someone else comes around, able to offer the same that Mexico does.
    Mr. Leoz and Mr. Grondona are wise, that`s why they are lurking the MLS now, maybe they will replace you in the future, maybe Japan, who knows ?. Mexico has lots to think of, and better think fast before it loses its position in this bargain. Time to think about things are ending, and once they do, what will come, is time for acting (just a small suggestion)

    Technically, Mexico is still part of CONCACAF. So you are still guests here, exactly the same as in the future MLS will be.

    Btw, I have said it lots of times before. I (imho), would love a sole American Conference in exchange of both CONMEBOL and CONCACAF. And I always thought that through Mexico, with whom we share lots of similarities, we had the best chance. But as time goes by, nothing happens, so we might as well look for other allies for that same purpose, even if we don`t share with them as many similarities and bonds, as the ones we have with mexico. And if nothing happens with no one else, than we must discard them all from our own existence. At the end, it is we, the ones that are making them all, the biggest favour, by leting them join with us. Not the other way around. Money will arrive anyhow.
    :p
     
  21. drunkguy10

    drunkguy10 El Sancho

    Dec 26, 2006
    No idea
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I have no respect for you and I will not answer to anything you post, this is just a notice. You lost the respect with your rantings in the Ecuador forum.
     
  22. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    O.M.G.................. what the F@ck I'm going to do? Someone help!!!!! Don't get mad because you got kicked out for trolling. Mexico being TECHNICALLY part of Conmeol is probably the most ridiculous shit I've heard in a long time on Bigsoccer.
     
  23. drunkguy10

    drunkguy10 El Sancho

    Dec 26, 2006
    No idea
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I will not respond to you; I'll just make one clarification.

    I did not get kicked out, I was the one who reported you.
     
  24. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    You reported me? LMAO.. Are you in third grade? BE A MAN!! Than Don't respond to me, I DON't GIVE A SHIT. this is a conmebol thread.


    I think the MLS should take away or fight for the right to participate in the Copa Libertadores. Its ridiculous to claim that Mexico has any CULTURAL connection with any country in South America, not by Cuisine, not by Customs, and definitely not by language. There is a 1000x better chance that any South American can attend a Copa libertadores game if it would be played in the USA rather than in Mexico. Imagine a colombian, Ecuadorian, Peruvian etc..etc.. Club playing in New york, LA or Chicago.. Huge benefits for fans living in the USA. HUUUUUUUUGGGGEEEEE!!!
     

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