Help me out as my brain is getting addled by these MLS rules as they pertain to our beloved team: When we picked Reyes last year we not only used a discover slot on him but also discovery slots for the next two years? Right? So if we get Ivanov and he comes to us via the discovery route that means that technically another team needs to pick him and trade him to us, right? Do I smell C-bus trading us Ivanov for Hedjuk's allocation as one possible scenerio? Have I been living on the left coast too long?
I think we still have our discovery "slots" (2 per year, max of 4 on the roster) But we don't have any transfer money for those slots. Diceson said we used 3 years worth of transfer fees on Reyes. So we either sign Ivanov as an allocation or we, as you correctly stated, trade for a discovery slot.
I'm pretty sure every team gets two discoveries per year, each including a small fund for transfer fees (like around 50K per year). When we signed Reyes, we only used up 3 years worth of signing money, not the actual slots themselves. So, Ivanov must not be costing a tranfer fee, or MLS is allowing us to use some of our allocation money, or some other bookkeeping twist on the sly.
As I understood it we have 100,000 per year to use in transfer fees for discovery players. But we can use up to three year's worth of fees at once. With Reyes we used three years worth of fees. I assume that's the basis of Skip saying we used our discovery slots. But I don't think that's true. We only used our transfer fees. If we could get someone on free transfer then we can use our discovery slots. But here's the thing - if in any given year we can use up to three years of discovery transfer fee money then this year don't we have some 100,000 available, i.e. the money due to us in two years? Only this year's and next year's money went to getting Reyes, not the money from two years from now. So couldn't Ivanov's fee be up to 100,000?
I seriously doubt Reyes cost 300K to sign. I think it was reported he signed for around 150K prorated over 3 years and that's where I got the 50K a year for discoveries. Nebulous data, I realize, but that's MLS for you. We could be using our discovery money for 2005 as you're suggesting, but I think it'd only 50K.
Hmmm.... I looked it up and it was reported in the Post twice that Reyes' tranfer fee was 75K. That means teams have only 25K for discoveires each year? Incredible.
Marco10 - I tracked down my source. Perhaps it will clarify my thinking. Here's the quote from Diceson. https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=586433&#post586433
I remember reading that 100K number in Diceson's report too. But something doesn't jibe. Goff is not usually wrong about numbers, rumors, occasionally, but not salaries. So, Reyes probably signed for 75K, yet the money was pro-rated over 3 years? I don't think Diceson's 100K number is right.
"Discovery dollars" What a term. Knave you are citing what I was wondering about, but as Marco ius saying, confusing doesn't do justice to what's happening.
The most recent thing I read on mlsnet.com (which doesn't necessarily mean that it was the most recently written) was that Gazidis explanation of player acquisitions and such. I can't find the link, but I believe it said that discovery rights can no longer be traded and are only for each team. It also stated that you can't have more than (I forget the number?) discovery players on your team at any given time. I think the number was 3 or 4 or something. Right now, I think Reyes is our only discovery. Sorry I can't find the link, but I think it was the Gazidis explanation where he explained that we had the top two picks for incoming returning US national team players.
i would imagine that you guys used 3 years of discovery money on reyes for the transfer fee, maybe even some of that towards his salary (if that was the case, the $75k salary might be the number thrown out there, as that's what affects the cap... like how hong isn't going to hurt the galaxy's cap that much this year) discovery money is $100k/year... but you can use 3 years at once leftover money should be able to be used to take money away from the cap for that player (i.e. free transfer, paid more than cap... or just money left over and you want to use it)... this might be a way that teams can trade extra cap "space"... as discovery money is not retained each year (why you use two years in advance, instead of retaining 2 previous) i'm assuming some of this, but the assumptions are based on the use of allocations... and i believe the only difference in allocations and discoveries is that a team focuses on bringing the player into the league for the discovery and the league does it for the allocation both have monetary values, which, for allocations, can be used for the transfer fee or to offset the player's salary from the cap my 2 cents -jim oh yeah, i think you keep allocations until you use them