CONCACAF WCQ Appointments [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 9, 2021.

  1. soccerref69420

    I literally only watch soccer games to watch the refs
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Anyone see the AR just signal for a foul 88'? Just stood there waving the flag as the CR ignored it and play moved down into the penalty area. Shouldn't the AR have realized he was being ignored and just run down the line to continue following play?
     
  2. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looked like a comms failure. Then the ref signaled for an IDFK for offside before he saw the AR wiggling the flag.
     
  3. soccerref69420

    I literally only watch soccer games to watch the refs
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I just watched a replay of it. AR was clearly standing there wiggling the flag (obviously for attacker pull on defender) for 5-10 seconds as play moved on, then CR finally blew the whistle, but then the AR gave the middle-of-the-field offside signal and pointed with his finger as well (like he was pointing where the foul occurred) and CR gave offside call.

    Doesn't make any sense.
     
  4. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Thought Calderon handled the match well.

    Never heard of him before, but he seemed solid and had no trouble keeping everything under control.
     
  5. Fanison

    Fanison Member

    May 8, 2012
    El Salvador : Honduras - W. LOPEZ (GUA)
    Costa Rica : Mexico - ELFATH (USA)

    Costa Rica : Jamaica - FISCHER (CAN)
     
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  6. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Overall assessment of last night.

    Calderon was good, even very good. I thought he could have carded McKennie for persistence at about 33 minutes (four fouls), and I though the foul by ES to Aaronson was a caution. Adams probably also got away with a card.

    The ARs were terrible. Several missed corners and missed balls out of play. The one play that really gets me is the play where the ES keeper is a good 3 feet behind the endline and plays the ball. If AR1 is anywhere close to the endline, it's a corner kick. How a FIFA-level AR is not hustling to the goal line for a play like this is inexcusable.
     
  7. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I was only half watching, as I was also attending a meeting, so I could be off base, but foul and card thresholds seemed inconsistent to me. On the other hand, it never totally blew up, which I guess counts as a win in a CONCACAF WCQ. . . .
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So Marrufo, Ramos, Martinez and Parchment are the bigger names held back from this triple matchday. Maybe include Montero in there, too.

    Marrufo would seem to slot in nicely on Honduras-Costa Rica.
     
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is where I was--both in the half-watching and the assessment. I said to a friend that Costa Rica seems to consistently produce referees who fall in the C-/D+ range for me, which probably increases on the CONCACAF curve. He wasn't terrible and the game went fine, but I don't think he was necessarily good, either.

    Lack of card for Acosta late was the one thing that really stood out. 88' was bizarre and comms failure seems to be the most generous interpretation. I thought his mannerisms and "no more" gestures were either forced and over-the-top.

    Overall, no one got hurt and no major decisions were wrong. He was fine. But he didn't inspire confidence for me either.
     
  10. ref29

    ref29 Member

    Nov 8, 2010
    Montero has Canada - El Salvador next week.
     
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  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Totally forgot!
     
  12. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Been on a side screen, but a good YC for Elfath in 37'.
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Elfath has had two yellows at 35' and 38'. Both had elements of SFP. I'm not sure either could be sent down via VAR if it existed, but it wouldn't be out of the question. 38', in particular, appears to have led to a consequential injury.
     
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thoughts on SFP?
     
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  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps the biggest annoyance of P+ vs ESPN+ is the lack of a 10 second backwards button. So I don't have a good answer.
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This game is... fun.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd add the color commentary to the annoyance.
     
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  18. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nailed the PK.
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If it's a foul--and to be clear, I think it has to be--how is it not also reckless, though?
     
  20. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come on now. You want three YCs to one team for reckless in the first half of a CONCACAF game? You crazy man. ;)
     
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  21. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    The one that resulted in the injury could easily have been a red.
    Also the kick in the shin that led to the PK should have been a YC.
    But overall Elfath is doing well so far, clearly taking charge.

    PH
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No caution on the 3' challenge to bring down Pulisic is very CONCACFy.
     
  23. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For a second I thought he was going to give it and then I remembered.
     
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  24. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Agree, it needed YC there. Set the tone early!

    PH
     
  25. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Talking to #2 for Brooks.
     

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