Pre-match: Concacaf Nations League Quarterfinals @ Jamaica (Nov 14) & v Jamaica (Nov 18)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TimB4Last, Oct 16, 2024.

  1. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    Except that we badly need to find a goalkeeper better than Turner. Having 4 on the roster means each keeper can play a half but these are not friendlies so rotating 'keepers for evaluation is, possibly, not the best idea ever. But I wonder if our coach expects Jamaica to be easy but, historically, they have not been, particularly at home. I do think that Jamaica is not, unless things go horribly wrong, going to attack with numbers very often, so we should be fine with the defenders we are taking.
    I know that Jamaica is not an easy win, but they should be as with the rest of CONCACAF (except Mexico and Canada), I wonder if our new coach sees how weak most of CONCACAF is and believes he has the team well enough prepared so that CONCACAF matches are mostly as easy as he expects them to be.
    This is the first meaningful match we have had since our new coach took over and he may want to test his plan(s) for the future.
    I also am really looking forward to this match as it will be the first time we play a match with real meaning under our new coach.
    BTW: I strongly expect two wins and I will be quite disappointed if we don't get them. I realize this is still very early in his tenure but certain expectations should be met for me, and at least a few others, to feel comfortable with his leadership.
     
  2. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looking at that roster, 3 CBs and/or Weah/Musah at FB/WB seem likely.
     
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  3. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Problem is, our CBs aren't very good.
     
  4. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    if paper work is not filed and APPROVED, dual Nats cant be called in. For all we know, Poch is working like a bastard on this. So slow your roll.
     
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  5. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh crap, I had no idea he got injured, that really sucks he was on an absolute tear
     
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  6. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    He hasn’t played. It can’t be burnout. And he probably won’t be an available in 26 given that assessment, so win the trophy in front of you when he is healthy.
     
  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    We know that Pochettino values Adams. Just being allowed to return to full fitness
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  8. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    What would have been more thin? Gregg would have been rightly lambasted for zero backups at outside back. Did I miss someone or did genius just name precisely two FBs to a 27 man roster? For a window that counts?
     
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  9. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    Makes a ton of sense for a friendly. So I guess Pochettino values NL kind of like a friendly. I’m getting a good read on this guy.
     
  10. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    POchettino has already commented on both matters.

    He said that he didn't take only two fullbacks. There are others on the roster that can play there. Mentioned Yunus Musah in particular, who played there against Real effing' Madrid recently.
     
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  11. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    Seems like Pochettino definitely rates MX above MLS too. Might be defensible, but still need to consider individual players. Luna should be there before Zendejas (even if that’s not like for like).
     
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  12. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    No he didn't
     
  13. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I'm guessing arithmetic wasn't your thing. 4 MLS players, vs 3 league MX
     
  14. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    I’ll see if I can find that. But Musah can only play one position at a time. And as far as I recall he has never played FB for the Nats. Fine to try it in a friendly, but seems like the wrong idea to count on that as plan B in a real game without ever trying it. Sounds like a plan C or D.

    If Gregg brought two FBs to nations league and said, oh Musah can cover that, what would folks have thought of that? I find anything other than “what an idiot” hard to believe.
     
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  15. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    Ha. Touché. I will admit that I was focused on the front 6 in that comparison and did not give particular credit to the 2 MLS goalkeepers or CBs — though you ought to be a little embarrassed to have counted on Steffen for that math. ;)
     
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  16. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I suspect that in this two game window we will beat Jamaica, but lose to Jamaica.
     
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  17. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    What about draw with Jamaica? Also seems like a possibility.
     
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  18. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I think you know this but Musah plays a ton of wingback for ACM.
     
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  19. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    That's what I mean though. In the Dual National wars, which will become more common rather than less with the levels of mass migration that have been going on in recent decades w/declining birth rates in Europe and Asia, the players hold the cards, not the coaches and national teams. It's a Players market. If you are basically saying, "You need to come to me." You are likely to lose all recruits save those that really, really want to play for you, the other bidders will simply be more attractive. When guys have options to play for Italy, Canada, the US etc, if the US is basically arguing that We're the USA, come if you want, we will lose said player to Canada whose actively recruiting him, or Italy, unless the player specifically doesn't care about the recruiting effort, which as we've seen through the NCAA, is quite rare. Players want the love.

    So I suspect we will lose most, and perhaps all of these battles. The 1990's point of view, that are vets from the '90-'14 WC's tend to have, and that Poch shares (he played in the '02 WC if memory serves) is a bad match for millennial and gen z athletes.
     
  20. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    That quote from Poch is highly suggestive that he has a similar attitude to Arena, who was also a sub par dual nat recruiter (and I say that, by and large, as a Bruce apologist and fan).
     
  21. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    I hope you're right, but I doubt you are. Luna got snubbed for the Olympics, and was not called up in the September, October or November windows....so? I'm betting El Tri is knocking on his door pretty hard (they'd be insane, not too). Will he say yes if they do? I'm not sure, but with no call ups since last March's that he rejected, I suspect he's gone from 90% in our camp, to a 50/50 proposition and maybe worse. Again, I'll celebrate with crow if I'm wrong on this.
     
  22. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To not know math is to think 4/200 is a higher % than 3/3. He called up every player he reasonably could from LigaMX. By that indicator, he rates LigaMX dramatically higher.

    But those players were grandfathered in. So that could also be the explanation.
     
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  23. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    They've never been good.
     
  24. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I forgot that. Yes.
     
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  25. BMWDeuce

    BMWDeuce Member

    AC Milan
    United States
    Aug 15, 2024
    here's the actual quote

    "I don’t want to give names, but we are working on other names to see if they want to become committed with us. We don’t need to convince, they want to help us… USA is massive. No one can be over this shirt or over this country.”
     
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