CONCACAF changes World Cup Qualifying Process

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  1. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Now do a similar analysis for the current system, from start to finish.

    We'll wait.
     
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  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How so? With the exception of the last games of the group stage possibly (if you get one of those 6-6-0-0 groups) or the last games of the Hex (which is no different than now) pretty much every game should be meaningful.
     
  3. nlsanand

    nlsanand Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Nobody: .....

    CONCACAF: Let's introduce an arbitrary and objectively unfair WCQ system
     
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  4. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    I love that meme. Especially when it's...

    Nobody:

    Absolutely nobody:

    There's also...

    Current system: exists

    CONCACAF: Let's change it because why not

    CONCACAF: Where's that glue I was sniffin
     
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  5. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    They just wanted to put more emphasis on the already unfair Gold Cup :)
     
  6. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Honestly it'll probably be in Miami or LA. Azteca would be fun, but there's too much money to be made.
     
  7. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    I'm hoping I get the chance to see Costa Rica v Honduras at Soldier Field with 9,000 of my closest friends.
     
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  8. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Does it really matter? If you throw out the initial WC in 1930 when the US got to the semis, CONCACAF teams have only got as far as the QF on 5 occasions in the history of the tournament: Cuba (1938), Mexico (1970/1986 when they were hosts), USA (2002) and Costa Rica (2014).
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which, BTW, is as good as the AFC, CAF, and OFC combined. North Korea '66, Cameroon '90, Senegal '02, South Korea '02, and Ghana '10 are the total quarter-final appearances for those three confederations (unless I missed one).
     
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  10. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    I love going to those kind of games
     
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  11. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    USA actually has to play to qualify.
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's true in the sense of teams who don't have a realistic chance at qualifying, but less so in terms of teams being eliminated before their last game. If you declare many teams not having a realistic chance at qualifying, there are many meaningless games in every confederation.

    A 6-6-0-0 distribution with one game left can happen in a single round-robin group, not a double round-robin group.
     
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  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct, my bad.
     
  14. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    No different than Mexico or Costa Rica.

    Also, nice job dodging.
     
  15. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    With the exception of CONMEBOL, the WC qualification process is so tedious and convoluted, not to mention the countless dead rubbers.

    Just get rid of qualifying all together and reduce the number of international dates for the regional tournaments (so you get more meaningful games).

    I think the WC should be a 128 single elimination tournament with seeded teams. You will still have to play 7 games to win the thing and nobody will care that teams 129 and up are not invited.
     
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  16. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    Does Dickie V get to tell us how Croatia vs France is Awesome Baby, with a capital B!!!
     
  17. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't count your Catracho chickens before they hatch. Lets see what their Gold Cup result did to their FIFA rankings.
     
  18. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This may be a better shot at making the Hex then the previous system. They are in striking distance of #6 spot.
     
  19. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is not a defense of the new system. I prefer the old one.

    As stated before, FIFA's ranking have been used for two previous cycles in seeding teams into Concacaf qualifying tournament.

    In 2014 cycle the six highest FIFA ranked teams wound up in the hex.
    In 2010 cycle 5 of the six highest FIFA ranked teams wound up in the hex.

    Still -- previous system was better.
     
  20. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    My point was that those teams would probably have an easier time scheduling friendlies which can help their rankings than say El Salvador or Guatemala or Haiti.
     
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  21. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only opportunity for FIFA-date friendlies are two dates during the Nations League (if they're in a 3-team group) and the March window (if they don't make the Nations League playoffs). They can also do out-of-window friendlies, but those are weighted for half the value of friendlies on FIFA dates. Even friendlies on FIFA dates are weighted low enough that at best you can gain a single-digit total of points in the ranking formula.
     
  22. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    Using FIFA rankings to seed teams yet still making them play there way into the final round is a very different thing than using them to put 6 teams into the final round of qualifying for 3 of 3.5 spots.

    I honestly don't know how putting all other teams in a tournament to see who plays hex #4 for the intercontinental playoff fulfills FIFA open to everyone requirement.
     
  23. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Well presumably they've signed off on it.
     
  24. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wasn't it Wales or some other UEFA team a few years ago that scheduled a bunch of friendlies designed to boost their FIFA ranking, and it totally worked? Got them into the top 10 or something like that.

    The likes of Canada and Jamaica and Honduras and Panama and all those other #4-12 teams totally need to hire some mathematicians immediately to figure out how to optimize their schedule to improve their rankings.
     
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  25. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ahh. I see. Elsewhere I asked whether this system would encourage that sort of gaming and authoritative voices assured me it would be very hard to have much of an impact on your standings with friendlies.
     
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