CONCACAF Champions League Coefficient

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions Cup' started by ArsenalMetro, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    To be fair, if the CSA gets an extra berth because they now have a new league, who's to say they force one of their two berths to be a CPL team? As has been said very often in the USSF/MLS back-and-forths, the berths are awarded to the organizing bodies, not directly to leagues. I would bet that if the CSA does end up getting a second berth, they'd want to try to make it so that their MLS teams can fill both. Maybe one berth stays with the CCC while the other goes to best MLS reg. season finish?
     
  2. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That's a great way to undermine your upstart domestic league. I'd be very surprised if the CSA did that.

    I'd also anticipate that a second Canadian berth would be in the CL rather than the CCL, and I don't know that MLS teams want to go through that tournament.
     
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  3. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From everything I've seen (internet, not necessarily CSA), the plan is for the winner of CPL to get any additional CCL bids that Canada gets for (finally) having a professional league of their own.
     
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  4. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Montreal and Vancouver are welcome to start fielding their sides in CanPL instead and go for that extra spot ;)
     
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  5. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    Only if the leagues stay at a relatively similar level which MLS clearly has not. Using an average to judge the current level a rapidly changing league makes as much sense as measuring the current speed of a rocket during lift-off by taking an average of the 5 prior periods.
     
  6. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The MLS score for this year was 9.900, which is still significantly worse than Liga MX.
     
  7. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Will be posting updated coefficients shortly. There's so much movement in the club rankings that I won't be tracking that; on the federation front, Honduras jumped over Panama.
     
  8. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Removed from active rankings:
    - San Jose (USA) - may still qualify through 2018 MLS Cup, but that's, uh...doubtful.
    - Houston (USA) - may still qualify through 2018 U.S. Open Cup or 2018 MLS Cup
    - Cartagines (CRC)
    - San Miguelito (PAN)
    - Heredia (GUA)
    - L.A. Firpo (SLV)

    Added to active rankings for Concacaf League:
    - Perez Zeledon (CRC)
    - Universitario (PAN)
    - Diriangen (NCA)
    - Belmopan Bandits (BLZ)
    - Arnett Gardens (JAM/CFU)
    - Club Franciscain (MTQ/CFU)

    Added to active rankings for Champions League:
    - Marathon (HON)
    - Independiente (PAN)
    - Atletico Pantoja (DOM/CFU)

    Code:
    As of July 24, 2018
    
    Federation Coefficient           
    
    Nation        2014-15  2015-16  2016-17  2017-18  2018-19  Overall
    Mexico         14.375   22.000   18.000   14.125    0.000   68.500
    Canada         22.000    4.500   19.500   21.000    0.000   67.000
    United States   9.875   12.875   10.625    7.125    0.000   40.500
    Costa Rica     15.667    6.000    8.500    3.125    0.000   33.292
    Honduras        8.500    6.750    7.500    3.125    0.000   25.875
    Panama          2.250    6.000   10.750    4.625    0.000   23.625
    Guatemala       6.000    4.500    4.500    0.000    0.000   15.000
    El Salvador     0.750    3.000    3.750    3.333    0.000   10.833
    Nicaragua       3.000    0.000    3.000    2.250    0.000    8.250
    CFU             2.000    3.000    1.000    0.250    0.000    6.250
    Belize          0.000    4.500    0.000    0.000    0.000    4.500
                 
                 
    Club Coefficient
           
    Club        2014-15  2015-16  2016-17  2017-18  2018-19    Overall
    America     34.7917  38.8333   6.0000  20.7083   0.0000   100.3333
    UANL         4.7917  29.3333  31.0000  14.2083   0.0000    79.3333
    Pachuca     18.7917   7.3333  34.5000   4.7083   0.0000    65.3333
    New York     9.2917   4.2917  16.0417  18.3750   0.0000    48.0001
    Guadalajara  4.7917   7.3333   6.0000  29.2083   0.0000    47.3333
    Vancouver    7.3333   6.0000  26.0000   7.0000   0.0000    46.3333
    Olimpia     15.3333   8.2500  10.0000  12.0417   0.0000    45.6250
    D.C. United 20.2917  18.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    44.5001
    Montreal    29.3333   1.5000   6.5000   7.0000   0.0000    44.3333
    Herediano   26.2222   8.0000   7.3333   2.5417   0.0000    44.0973
    Toronto      7.3333   1.5000   6.5000  28.0000   0.0000    43.3333
    Santos       4.7917  25.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    40.8333
    Saprissa    14.7222   8.0000  15.3333   2.5417   0.0000    40.5973
    Queretaro    4.7917  23.8333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    39.3333
    Arabe Unido  0.7500   8.0000  20.5833   7.0417   0.0000    36.3750
    UNAM         4.7917   7.3333  18.5000   4.7083   0.0000    35.3333
    Dallas       3.2917   4.2917  21.5417   5.3750   0.0000    34.5001
    Seattle      3.2917  15.2917   3.5417  10.3750   0.0000    32.5001
    Leon        12.2917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    30.3333
    Portland    12.2917   4.2917  11.0417   2.3750   0.0000    30.0001
    Tijuana      4.7917   7.3333   6.0000  11.2083   0.0000    29.3333
    Cruz Azul   10.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    28.8333
    Monterrey    4.7917   7.3333  12.0000   4.7083   0.0000    28.8333
    Alajuelense 21.7222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.0000    27.5973
    Salt Lake    3.2917  18.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    27.5001
    LA Galaxy    3.2917  16.7917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    26.0001
    Kansas City 10.7917   4.2917   8.0417   2.3750   0.0000    25.5001
    Toluca       4.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    22.8333
    Mexico       4.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    22.8333
    Canada       7.3333   1.5000   6.5000   7.0000   0.0000    22.3333
    Santos d.G.  5.2223   2.0000   2.8333  10.5417   0.0000    20.5973
    Motagua      2.8333   9.7500   2.5000   2.5417   0.0000    17.6250
    Plaza Amador 0.7500   2.0000   8.0833   6.5417   0.0000    17.3750
    Comun. (GUA) 9.5000   6.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000    17.0000
    H. Progreso  2.8333   2.2500  10.0000   1.0417   0.0000    16.1250
    Chorrillo    5.2500   2.0000   3.5833   4.5417   0.0000    15.3750
    Colorado     3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   3.8750   0.0000    15.0001
    Municipal    6.5000   6.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000    14.0000
    S. Francisco 0.7500   8.0000   3.5833   1.5417   0.0000    13.8750
    Alianza      0.2500   1.0000   7.2500   5.1111   0.0000    13.6110
    USA          3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    13.5001
    Real Espana  7.3333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   0.0000    13.1250
    Tauro        0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   6.5417   0.0000    12.8750
    Perez Zeledon5.2222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.0000    11.0973
    Costa Rica   5.2222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.0000    11.0973
    Suchitepequez2.0000   1.5000   7.5000   0.0000   0.0000    11.0000
    Real Esteli  4.0000   0.0000   4.0000   1.7500   0.0000     9.7500
    Santa Tecla  0.2500   4.0000   1.2500   4.1111   0.0000     9.6110
    Marathon     2.8333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   0.0000     8.6250
    Honduras     2.8333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   0.0000     8.6250
    Central      0.6667   5.5000   1.8333   0.0833   0.0000     8.0833
    Waterhouse   6.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.0000     8.0833
    Antigua (GUA)2.0000   1.5000   4.5000   0.0000   0.0000     8.0000
    Independiente0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   0.0000     7.8750
    Universitario0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   0.0000     7.8750
    Panama       0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   0.0000     7.8750
    Aguila       0.2500   1.0000   1.2500   4.1111   0.0000     6.6110
    Is. Metapan  0.2500   4.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.0000     6.6110
    W Connection 0.6667   4.0000   1.8333   0.0833   0.0000     6.5833
    W. Ferretti  1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   4.2500   0.0000     6.2500
    Verdes       0.0000   6.0000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     6.0000
    Dragon       0.2500   1.0000   2.7500   1.1111   0.0000     5.1110
    FAS          1.7500   1.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.0000     5.1110
    Guatemala    2.0000   1.5000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000     5.0000
    El Salvador  0.2500   1.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.0000     3.6110
    Montego Bay  0.6667   2.5000   0.3333   0.0833   0.0000     3.5833
    Portmore Utd 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   1.0833   0.0000     3.0833
    Diriangen    1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   0.7500   0.0000     2.7500
    Nicaragua    1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   0.7500   0.0000     2.7500
    Arnett Gard. 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.0000     2.0833
    Atl. Pantoja 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.0000     2.0833
    Franciscain  0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.0000     2.0833
    CFU          0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.0000     2.0833
    Belmopan B.  0.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     1.5000
    Belize       0.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     1.5000
     
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  9. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    NYRB and VWFC benefit quite a lot when the 13-14 results are phased out, it seems! So too apparently do DCU and the other Canadian clubs. Big drops, respectively, for any team from 13-14 and has participated less than twice since.

    The coefficient system is always really interesting in that it's often a disbenefit to clubs from higher-parity leagues because of that "you need to return to keep your high coefficient" factor. I wonder if things would be more stable if someone tried a ranking more akin to Elo, Glicko, or Massey. At the very least, CONCACAF's new ranking system that ties to qualification slots instead of tying directly to clubs gets around that issue... somewhat.
     
  10. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
  11. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Not for long
     
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  12. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I'm pretty sure that UANL is essentially the only team that can overtake America, and I'm guessing they need to be near-perfect in order to do so. The three highest single-season scores still in the rankings are 38.83, 34.79, and 34.50, so that only leaves UANL and Pachuca in contention, but Pachuca isn't playing this year, and I think scores like that aren't even possible anymore since the CCL has fewer games than it used to (unless maybe a team wins the CL and then somehow also makes a deep run through the CCL). Granted, once the 2019 CCL is over, UANL is guaranteed to overtake America - but it won't happen much before then, if at all.
     
  13. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    #613 ArsenalMetro, Jul 24, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2018
    A run to the final would probably do it. They need to outscore the "generic Mexican club" by 21 points; Chivas did that by 24.5 last season, America only did by 16.

    The absolute maximum club coefficient for a Champions League-only participant is 42.6667, and that would be for a Canadian team that won every match it played in. That puts the base "pass America" threshold for a CCL participant at 57.6666, which leaves just Pachuca (like you said, not participating), and Tigres.

    The maximum club coefficient for a Concacaf League participant is 58.6667, which could (very theoretically) be achieved by the Belize representative, which lowers the base threshold to 41.6666. That ropes in Herediano.

    Herediano, however, doesn't get the benefit that Canadian and Belizean (?) clubs do, namely that their max score suffers from the existence of other Costa Rican clubs. There are four participants across the two tournaments, so the maximum score that Herediano can put up this year, assuming that they won every match throughout both tournaments, and so did every Costa Rican team against every non-Costa Rican team, and the draw kept Costa Rican teams apart for as long as possible, is 50.9167. That, plus the 44.0973 they already have, only gets them to 95.0140. So, America is safe from the hypothetical Year of Herediano.

    All that to say, yeah, it's America or Tigres for the top spot, but America's run at the summit will be over as soon as the 2019 Champions League finishes.
     
  14. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Red Bulls are the first club not from Liga MX to be fourth or higher since Herediano after the 2016-2017 Group Stage. Unfortunately, it will be hard for them to qualify for the 2019 CCL. I'd love if they won their first MLS Cup and qualified that way. Toronto's 2017 MLS Cup win made a spot available for club with the most combined regular season points in 2017 and 2018 other than American clubs who win the 2018 MLS Cup and/or U.S. Open Cup. Atlanta leads that, NYCFC leads that if you go by points per game, and the Red Bulls are third. If the Red Bulls finish second to NYCFC in that, it could make a strange situation. If MLS Cup is between NYCFC and a Western Conference club other than Sporting Kansas City, Vancouver (who isn't in playoff position now), or Los Angeles FC or Houston (the two remaining Western Conference clubs) as the 2018 U.S. Open Cup winner, the Red Bulls could qualify for the CCL only if NYCFC won MLS Cup and double qualified for the CCL from MLS Cup and regular season points. Imagine if Real Madrid was in a Champions League Final and Barcelona would qualify for the next Champions League only if Real Madrid won. I'm not saying that will happen soon, but that's an analogy.
     
  15. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2018 CONCACAF League, Round of 16

    Federation Movement
    None

    Club Movement
    - Herediano over Vancouver, Olimpia, D.C. United, and Montreal
    - Saprissa over Santos Laguna
    - San Francisco over Municipal
    - Real Espana over Municipal and Alianza
    - Tauro tied with Chorrillo, over Colorado, San Francisco, Real Espana, Municipal, and Alianza
    - Santa Tecla over Real Esteli
    - Independiente over Central, Waterhouse, and Antigua
    - Universitario over Suchitepequez, Santa Tecla, Real Esteli, Marathon, Independiente, Central, Waterhouse, and Antigua
    - Walter Ferretti over Independiente, Central, Waterhouse, Antigua, Aguila, Isidro Metapan, and W Connection
    - FAS over Aguila, Isidro Metapan, W Connection, Verdes, and Dragon
    - Portmore United over Montego Bay
    - Franciscain tied with Arnett Gardens, over Atletico Pantoja

    Removed from active rankings
    - Diriangen (NCA)
    - Belmopan Bandits (BLZ)

    Code:
    As of August 10, 2018
    
    Federation Coefficient            
    
    Nation        2014-15  2015-16  2016-17  2017-18  2018-19  Overall
    Mexico         14.375   22.000   18.000   14.125    0.000   68.500
    Canada         22.000    4.500   19.500   21.000    0.000   67.000
    United States   9.875   12.875   10.625    7.125    0.000   40.500
    Costa Rica     15.667    6.000    8.500    3.125    0.875   34.167
    Honduras        8.500    6.750    7.500    3.125    1.167   27.042
    Panama          2.250    6.000   10.750    4.625    1.875   25.500
    Guatemala       6.000    4.500    4.500    0.000    0.000   15.000
    El Salvador     0.750    3.000    3.750    3.333    1.167   12.000
    Nicaragua       3.000    0.000    3.000    2.250    1.000    9.250
    CFU             2.000    3.000    1.000    0.250    1.000    7.250
    Belize          0.000    4.500    0.000    0.000    0.000    4.500
                  
                  
    Club Coefficient
            
    Club        2014-15  2015-16  2016-17  2017-18  2018-19    Overall
    America     34.7917  38.8333   6.0000  20.7083   0.0000   100.3333
    UANL         4.7917  29.3333  31.0000  14.2083   0.0000    79.3333
    Pachuca     18.7917   7.3333  34.5000   4.7083   0.0000    65.3333
    New York     9.2917   4.2917  16.0417  18.3750   0.0000    48.0001
    Guadalajara  4.7917   7.3333   6.0000  29.2083   0.0000    47.3333
    Herediano   26.2222   8.0000   7.3333   2.5417   2.2917    46.3890
    Vancouver    7.3333   6.0000  26.0000   7.0000   0.0000    46.3333
    Olimpia     15.3333   8.2500  10.0000  12.0417   0.3889    46.0139
    D.C. United 20.2917  18.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    44.5001
    Montreal    29.3333   1.5000   6.5000   7.0000   0.0000    44.3333
    Toronto      7.3333   1.5000   6.5000  28.0000   0.0000    43.3333
    Saprissa    14.7222   8.0000  15.3333   2.5417   0.2917    40.8890
    Santos       4.7917  25.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    40.8333
    Queretaro    4.7917  23.8333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    39.3333
    Arabe Unido  0.7500   8.0000  20.5833   7.0417   2.6250    39.0000
    UNAM         4.7917   7.3333  18.5000   4.7083   0.0000    35.3333
    Dallas       3.2917   4.2917  21.5417   5.3750   0.0000    34.5001
    Seattle      3.2917  15.2917   3.5417  10.3750   0.0000    32.5001
    Leon        12.2917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    30.3333
    Portland    12.2917   4.2917  11.0417   2.3750   0.0000    30.0001
    Tijuana      4.7917   7.3333   6.0000  11.2083   0.0000    29.3333
    Cruz Azul   10.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    28.8333
    Monterrey    4.7917   7.3333  12.0000   4.7083   0.0000    28.8333
    Alajuelense 21.7222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.2917    27.8890
    Salt Lake    3.2917  18.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    27.5001
    LA Galaxy    3.2917  16.7917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    26.0001
    Kansas City 10.7917   4.2917   8.0417   2.3750   0.0000    25.5001
    Toluca       4.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    22.8333
    Mexico       4.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    22.8333
    Canada       7.3333   1.5000   6.5000   7.0000   0.0000    22.3333
    Santos d.G.  5.2223   2.0000   2.8333  10.5417   1.2917    21.8890
    Motagua      2.8333   9.7500   2.5000   2.5417   3.3889    21.0139
    Plaza Amador 0.7500   2.0000   8.0833   6.5417   0.6250    18.0000
    Comun. (GUA) 9.5000   6.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000    17.0000
    H. Progreso  2.8333   2.2500  10.0000   1.0417   0.3889    16.5139
    Chorrillo    5.2500   2.0000   3.5833   4.5417   0.6250    16.0000
    Tauro        0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   6.5417   3.1250    16.0000
    Colorado     3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   3.8750   0.0000    15.0001
    S. Francisco 0.7500   8.0000   3.5833   1.5417   0.6250    14.5000
    Real Espana  7.3333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   0.8889    14.0139
    Municipal    6.5000   6.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000    14.0000
    Alianza      0.2500   1.0000   7.2500   5.1111   0.3889    13.9999
    USA          3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    13.5001
    Perez Zeledon5.2222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.7917    11.8890
    Universitario0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   3.6250    11.5000
    Costa Rica   5.2222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.2917    11.3890
    Suchitepequez2.0000   1.5000   7.5000   0.0000   0.0000    11.0000
    Santa Tecla  0.2500   4.0000   1.2500   4.1111   1.3889    10.9999
    Real Esteli  4.0000   0.0000   4.0000   1.7500   0.3333    10.0833
    Marathon     2.8333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   0.3889     9.0139
    Honduras     2.8333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   0.3889     9.0139
    W. Ferretti  1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   4.2500   2.3333     8.5833
    Independiente0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   0.6250     8.5000
    Panama       0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   0.6250     8.5000
    Central      0.6667   5.5000   1.8333   0.0833   0.3333     8.4166
    Waterhouse   6.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     8.4166
    Antigua (GUA)2.0000   1.5000   4.5000   0.0000   0.0000     8.0000
    FAS          1.7500   1.0000   1.2500   1.1111   2.8889     7.9999
    Aguila       0.2500   1.0000   1.2500   4.1111   0.3889     6.9999
    Is. Metapan  0.2500   4.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.3889     6.9999
    W Connection 0.6667   4.0000   1.8333   0.0833   0.3333     6.9166
    Verdes       0.0000   6.0000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     6.0000
    Dragon       0.2500   1.0000   2.7500   1.1111   0.3889     5.4999
    Portmore Utd 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   1.0833   2.3333     5.4166
    Guatemala    2.0000   1.5000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000     5.0000
    El Salvador  0.2500   1.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.3889     3.9999
    Montego Bay  0.6667   2.5000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     3.9166
    Arnett Gard. 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   1.3333     3.4166
    Franciscain  0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   1.3333     3.4166
    Nicaragua    1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   0.7500   0.3333     3.0833
    Atl. Pantoja 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     2.4166
    CFU          0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     2.4166
    Belize       0.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     1.5000
     
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  16. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    @DGreat

    Who dat in first?




    Woooo
     
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  17. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Canada should really have multiple teams already, I know it's ridiculous but even without the coefficient you have Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver who all bring performances and attendance to these games. They could have the three best MLS teams and still be limited to one representative
     
  18. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    This debate happens here all the time, and until the CPL takes off, no, they should not.

    The US shouldn't have 4 slots, but Canada can't have more than 1 without a professional league. It's akin to Liechtenstein in Europe.
     
  19. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Well Liechtenstein's cup winners go straight into the second-tier tournament, but if they did go into the Champions League and sent teams to the semis every few years, they might argue for both cup finalists to get in! ;)
     
  20. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2018 Concacaf League Quarterfinals

    Federation Movement
    None

    Club Movement
    - Olimpia over Vancouver
    - Herediano over New York and Guadalajara
    - Arabe Unido over Saprissa, Santos Laguna, and Queretaro
    - Motagua over Toluca and Santos d.G.
    - Tauro over Plaza Amador, Comunicaciones, Honduras Progreso, and Chorrillo
    - Independiente over Walter Ferretti

    Code:
    As of September 16, 2018
    
    Federation Coefficient            
    
    Nation        2014-15  2015-16  2016-17  2017-18  2018-19  Overall
    Mexico         14.375   22.000   18.000   14.125    0.000   68.500
    Canada         22.000    4.500   19.500   21.000    0.000   67.000
    United States   9.875   12.875   10.625    7.125    0.000   40.500
    Costa Rica     15.667    6.000    8.500    3.125    1.625   34.917
    Honduras        8.500    6.750    7.500    3.125    2.167   28.042
    Panama          2.250    6.000   10.750    4.625    3.375   27.000
    Guatemala       6.000    4.500    4.500    0.000    0.000   15.000
    El Salvador     0.750    3.000    3.750    3.333    1.167   12.000
    Nicaragua       3.000    0.000    3.000    2.250    1.000    9.250
    CFU             2.000    3.000    1.000    0.250    1.000    7.250
    Belize          0.000    4.500    0.000    0.000    0.000    4.500
                  
                  
    Club Coefficient
            
    Club        2014-15  2015-16  2016-17  2017-18  2018-19    Overall
    America     34.7917  38.8333   6.0000  20.7083   0.0000   100.3333
    UANL         4.7917  29.3333  31.0000  14.2083   0.0000    79.3333
    Pachuca     18.7917   7.3333  34.5000   4.7083   0.0000    65.3333
    Herediano   26.2222   8.0000   7.3333   2.5417   5.5417    49.6390
    New York     9.2917   4.2917  16.0417  18.3750   0.0000    48.0001
    Guadalajara  4.7917   7.3333   6.0000  29.2083   0.0000    47.3333
    Olimpia     15.3333   8.2500  10.0000  12.0417   0.7222    46.3472
    Vancouver    7.3333   6.0000  26.0000   7.0000   0.0000    46.3333
    D.C. United 20.2917  18.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    44.5001
    Montreal    29.3333   1.5000   6.5000   7.0000   0.0000    44.3333
    Toronto      7.3333   1.5000   6.5000  28.0000   0.0000    43.3333
    Arabe Unido  0.7500   8.0000  20.5833   7.0417   6.1250    42.5000
    Saprissa    14.7222   8.0000  15.3333   2.5417   0.5417    41.1390
    Santos       4.7917  25.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    40.8333
    Queretaro    4.7917  23.8333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    39.3333
    UNAM         4.7917   7.3333  18.5000   4.7083   0.0000    35.3333
    Dallas       3.2917   4.2917  21.5417   5.3750   0.0000    34.5001
    Seattle      3.2917  15.2917   3.5417  10.3750   0.0000    32.5001
    Leon        12.2917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    30.3333
    Portland    12.2917   4.2917  11.0417   2.3750   0.0000    30.0001
    Tijuana      4.7917   7.3333   6.0000  11.2083   0.0000    29.3333
    Cruz Azul   10.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    28.8333
    Monterrey    4.7917   7.3333  12.0000   4.7083   0.0000    28.8333
    Alajuelense 21.7222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.5417    28.1390
    Salt Lake    3.2917  18.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    27.5001
    LA Galaxy    3.2917  16.7917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    26.0001
    Kansas City 10.7917   4.2917   8.0417   2.3750   0.0000    25.5001
    Motagua      2.8333   9.7500   2.5000   2.5417   6.7222    24.3472
    Toluca       4.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    22.8333
    Mexico       4.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    22.8333
    Canada       7.3333   1.5000   6.5000   7.0000   0.0000    22.3333
    Santos d.G.  5.2223   2.0000   2.8333  10.5417   1.5417    22.1390
    Tauro        0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   6.5417   6.6250    19.5000
    Plaza Amador 0.7500   2.0000   8.0833   6.5417   1.1250    18.5000
    Comun. (GUA) 9.5000   6.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000    17.0000
    H. Progreso  2.8333   2.2500  10.0000   1.0417   0.7222    16.8472
    Chorrillo    5.2500   2.0000   3.5833   4.5417   1.1250    16.5000
    Colorado     3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   3.8750   0.0000    15.0001
    S. Francisco 0.7500   8.0000   3.5833   1.5417   1.1250    15.0000
    Real Espana  7.3333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   1.2222    14.3472
    Municipal    6.5000   6.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000    14.0000
    Alianza      0.2500   1.0000   7.2500   5.1111   0.3889    13.9999
    USA          3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    13.5001
    Perez Zeledon5.2222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   1.0417    12.1390
    Universitario0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   4.1250    12.0000
    Costa Rica   5.2222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.5417    11.6390
    Suchitepequez2.0000   1.5000   7.5000   0.0000   0.0000    11.0000
    Santa Tecla  0.2500   4.0000   1.2500   4.1111   1.3889    10.9999
    Real Esteli  4.0000   0.0000   4.0000   1.7500   0.3333    10.0833
    Marathon     2.8333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   0.7222     9.3472
    Honduras     2.8333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   0.7222     9.3472
    Independiente0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   1.1250     9.0000
    Panama       0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   1.1250     9.0000
    W. Ferretti  1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   4.2500   2.3333     8.5833
    Central      0.6667   5.5000   1.8333   0.0833   0.3333     8.4166
    Waterhouse   6.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     8.4166
    Antigua (GUA)2.0000   1.5000   4.5000   0.0000   0.0000     8.0000
    FAS          1.7500   1.0000   1.2500   1.1111   2.8889     7.9999
    Aguila       0.2500   1.0000   1.2500   4.1111   0.3889     6.9999
    Is. Metapan  0.2500   4.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.3889     6.9999
    W Connection 0.6667   4.0000   1.8333   0.0833   0.3333     6.9166
    Verdes       0.0000   6.0000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     6.0000
    Dragon       0.2500   1.0000   2.7500   1.1111   0.3889     5.4999
    Portmore Utd 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   1.0833   2.3333     5.4166
    Guatemala    2.0000   1.5000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000     5.0000
    El Salvador  0.2500   1.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.3889     3.9999
    Montego Bay  0.6667   2.5000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     3.9166
    Arnett Gard. 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   1.3333     3.4166
    Franciscain  0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   1.3333     3.4166
    Nicaragua    1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   0.7500   0.3333     3.0833
    Atl. Pantoja 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     2.4166
    CFU          0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     2.4166
    Belize       0.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     1.5000
     
  21. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Herediano is up to fourth. What's the highest rank a Central American club has had?
     
  22. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Alajuelense was 3rd at the start of the 2015-16 tournament. I'm guessing that's the highest, but I didn't look at every update.
     
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  23. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2018 Concacaf League Semifinals

    Federation Movement
    None

    Club Movement

    - Arabe Unido over Toronto
    - Motagua over LA Galaxy and Kansas City
    - H. Progreso over Comunicaciones

    Code:
    As of October 5, 2018
    
    Federation Coefficient           
    
    Nation        2014-15  2015-16  2016-17  2017-18  2018-19  Overall
    Mexico         14.375   22.000   18.000   14.125    0.000   68.500
    Canada         22.000    4.500   19.500   21.000    0.000   67.000
    United States   9.875   12.875   10.625    7.125    0.000   40.500
    Costa Rica     15.667    6.000    8.500    3.125    2.125   35.417
    Honduras        8.500    6.750    7.500    3.125    2.833   28.708
    Panama          2.250    6.000   10.750    4.625    3.875   27.500
    Guatemala       6.000    4.500    4.500    0.000    0.000   15.000
    El Salvador     0.750    3.000    3.750    3.333    1.167   12.000
    Nicaragua       3.000    0.000    3.000    2.250    1.000    9.250
    CFU             2.000    3.000    1.000    0.250    1.000    7.250
    Belize          0.000    4.500    0.000    0.000    0.000    4.500
                 
                 
    Club Coefficient
           
    Club        2014-15  2015-16  2016-17  2017-18  2018-19    Overall
    America     34.7917  38.8333   6.0000  20.7083   0.0000   100.3333
    UANL         4.7917  29.3333  31.0000  14.2083   0.0000    79.3333
    Pachuca     18.7917   7.3333  34.5000   4.7083   0.0000    65.3333
    Herediano   26.2222   8.0000   7.3333   2.5417   7.7083    51.8056
    New York     9.2917   4.2917  16.0417  18.3750   0.0000    48.0001
    Guadalajara  4.7917   7.3333   6.0000  29.2083   0.0000    47.3333
    Olimpia     15.3333   8.2500  10.0000  12.0417   0.9444    46.5694
    Vancouver    7.3333   6.0000  26.0000   7.0000   0.0000    46.3333
    D.C. United 20.2917  18.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    44.5001
    Montreal    29.3333   1.5000   6.5000   7.0000   0.0000    44.3333
    Arabe Unido  0.7500   8.0000  20.5833   7.0417   7.2917    43.6667
    Toronto      7.3333   1.5000   6.5000  28.0000   0.0000    43.3333
    Saprissa    14.7222   8.0000  15.3333   2.5417   0.7083    41.3056
    Santos       4.7917  25.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    40.8333
    Queretaro    4.7917  23.8333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    39.3333
    UNAM         4.7917   7.3333  18.5000   4.7083   0.0000    35.3333
    Dallas       3.2917   4.2917  21.5417   5.3750   0.0000    34.5001
    Seattle      3.2917  15.2917   3.5417  10.3750   0.0000    32.5001
    Leon        12.2917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    30.3333
    Portland    12.2917   4.2917  11.0417   2.3750   0.0000    30.0001
    Tijuana      4.7917   7.3333   6.0000  11.2083   0.0000    29.3333
    Cruz Azul   10.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    28.8333
    Monterrey    4.7917   7.3333  12.0000   4.7083   0.0000    28.8333
    Alajuelense 21.7222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.7083    28.3056
    Salt Lake    3.2917  18.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    27.5001
    Motagua      2.8333   9.7500   2.5000   2.5417   8.9444    26.5694
    LA Galaxy    3.2917  16.7917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    26.0001
    Kansas City 10.7917   4.2917   8.0417   2.3750   0.0000    25.5001
    Toluca       4.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    22.8333
    Mexico       4.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    22.8333
    Canada       7.3333   1.5000   6.5000   7.0000   0.0000    22.3333
    Santos d.G.  5.2223   2.0000   2.8333  10.5417   1.5417    22.1390
    Tauro        0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   6.5417   7.7917    20.6667
    Plaza Amador 0.7500   2.0000   8.0833   6.5417   1.2917    18.6667
    H. Progreso  2.8333   2.2500  10.0000   1.0417   0.9444    17.0694
    Comun. (GUA) 9.5000   6.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000    17.0000
    Chorrillo    5.2500   2.0000   3.5833   4.5417   1.2917    16.6667
    S. Francisco 0.7500   8.0000   3.5833   1.5417   1.2917    15.1667
    Colorado     3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   3.8750   0.0000    15.0001
    Real Espana  7.3333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   1.4444    14.5694
    Municipal    6.5000   6.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000    14.0000
    Alianza      0.2500   1.0000   7.2500   5.1111   0.3889    13.9999
    USA          3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    13.5001
    Perez Zeledon5.2222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   1.2083    12.3056
    Universitario0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   4.2917    12.1667
    Costa Rica   5.2222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.7083    11.8056
    Suchitepequez2.0000   1.5000   7.5000   0.0000   0.0000    11.0000
    Santa Tecla  0.2500   4.0000   1.2500   4.1111   1.3889    10.9999
    Real Esteli  4.0000   0.0000   4.0000   1.7500   0.3333    10.0833
    Marathon     2.8333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   0.9444     9.5694
    Honduras     2.8333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   0.9444     9.5694
    Independiente0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   1.2917     9.1667
    Panama       0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   1.2917     9.1667
    W. Ferretti  1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   4.2500   2.3333     8.5833
    Central      0.6667   5.5000   1.8333   0.0833   0.3333     8.4166
    Waterhouse   6.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     8.4166
    Antigua (GUA)2.0000   1.5000   4.5000   0.0000   0.0000     8.0000
    FAS          1.7500   1.0000   1.2500   1.1111   2.8889     7.9999
    Aguila       0.2500   1.0000   1.2500   4.1111   0.3889     6.9999
    Is. Metapan  0.2500   4.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.3889     6.9999
    W Connection 0.6667   4.0000   1.8333   0.0833   0.3333     6.9166
    Verdes       0.0000   6.0000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     6.0000
    Dragon       0.2500   1.0000   2.7500   1.1111   0.3889     5.4999
    Portmore Utd 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   1.0833   2.3333     5.4166
    Guatemala    2.0000   1.5000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000     5.0000
    El Salvador  0.2500   1.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.3889     3.9999
    Montego Bay  0.6667   2.5000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     3.9166
    Arnett Gard. 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   1.3333     3.4166
    Franciscain  0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   1.3333     3.4166
    Nicaragua    1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   0.7500   0.3333     3.0833
    Atl. Pantoja 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     2.4166
    CFU          0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     2.4166
    Belize       0.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     1.5000
     
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  24. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2018 Concacaf League

    Federation Movement
    None

    Club Movement
    - Motagua over Salt Lake

    Added to Rankings
    - Atlanta (USA)
    - Houston (USA)
    - Guastatoya (GUA)

    Code:
    As of November 5, 2018
    
    Federation Coefficient            
    
    Nation        2014-15  2015-16  2016-17  2017-18  2018-19  Overall
    Mexico         14.375   22.000   18.000   14.125    0.000   68.500
    Canada         22.000    4.500   19.500   21.000    0.000   67.000
    United States   9.875   12.875   10.625    7.125    0.000   40.500
    Costa Rica     15.667    6.000    8.500    3.125    2.625   35.917
    Honduras        8.500    6.750    7.500    3.125    3.167   29.042
    Panama          2.250    6.000   10.750    4.625    3.875   27.500
    Guatemala       6.000    4.500    4.500    0.000    0.000   15.000
    El Salvador     0.750    3.000    3.750    3.333    1.167   12.000
    Nicaragua       3.000    0.000    3.000    2.250    1.000    9.250
    CFU             2.000    3.000    1.000    0.250    1.000    7.250
    Belize          0.000    4.500    0.000    0.000    0.000    4.500
                  
                  
    Club Coefficient
            
    Club        2014-15  2015-16  2016-17  2017-18  2018-19    Overall
    America     34.7917  38.8333   6.0000  20.7083   0.0000   100.3333
    UANL         4.7917  29.3333  31.0000  14.2083   0.0000    79.3333
    Pachuca     18.7917   7.3333  34.5000   4.7083   0.0000    65.3333
    Herediano   26.2222   8.0000   7.3333   2.5417   9.8750    53.9723
    New York     9.2917   4.2917  16.0417  18.3750   0.0000    48.0001
    Guadalajara  4.7917   7.3333   6.0000  29.2083   0.0000    47.3333
    Olimpia     15.3333   8.2500  10.0000  12.0417   1.0556    46.6806
    Vancouver    7.3333   6.0000  26.0000   7.0000   0.0000    46.3333
    D.C. United 20.2917  18.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    44.5001
    Montreal    29.3333   1.5000   6.5000   7.0000   0.0000    44.3333
    Arabe Unido  0.7500   8.0000  20.5833   7.0417   7.2917    43.6667
    Toronto      7.3333   1.5000   6.5000  28.0000   0.0000    43.3333
    Saprissa    14.7222   8.0000  15.3333   2.5417   0.8750    41.4723
    Santos       4.7917  25.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    40.8333
    Queretaro    4.7917  23.8333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    39.3333
    UNAM         4.7917   7.3333  18.5000   4.7083   0.0000    35.3333
    Dallas       3.2917   4.2917  21.5417   5.3750   0.0000    34.5001
    Seattle      3.2917  15.2917   3.5417  10.3750   0.0000    32.5001
    Leon        12.2917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    30.3333
    Portland    12.2917   4.2917  11.0417   2.3750   0.0000    30.0001
    Tijuana      4.7917   7.3333   6.0000  11.2083   0.0000    29.3333
    Cruz Azul   10.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    28.8333
    Monterrey    4.7917   7.3333  12.0000   4.7083   0.0000    28.8333
    Alajuelense 21.7222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.8750    28.4723
    Motagua      2.8333   9.7500   2.5000   2.5417  10.0556    27.6806
    Salt Lake    3.2917  18.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    27.5001
    LA Galaxy    3.2917  16.7917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    26.0001
    Kansas City 10.7917   4.2917   8.0417   2.3750   0.0000    25.5001
    Toluca       4.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    22.8333
    Mexico       4.7917   7.3333   6.0000   4.7083   0.0000    22.8333
    Santos d.G.  5.2223   2.0000   2.8333  10.5417   1.8750    22.4723
    Canada       7.3333   1.5000   6.5000   7.0000   0.0000    22.3333
    Tauro        0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   6.5417   7.7917    20.6667
    Plaza Amador 0.7500   2.0000   8.0833   6.5417   1.2917    18.6667
    H. Progreso  2.8333   2.2500  10.0000   1.0417   1.0556    17.1806
    Comun. (GUA) 9.5000   6.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000    17.0000
    Chorrillo    5.2500   2.0000   3.5833   4.5417   1.2917    16.6667
    S. Francisco 0.7500   8.0000   3.5833   1.5417   1.2917    15.1667
    Colorado     3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   3.8750   0.0000    15.0001
    Real Espana  7.3333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   1.5556    14.6806
    Municipal    6.5000   6.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000    14.0000
    Alianza      0.2500   1.0000   7.2500   5.1111   0.3889    13.9999
    Atlanta      3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    13.5001
    Houston      3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    13.5001
    USA          3.2917   4.2917   3.5417   2.3750   0.0000    13.5001
    Perez Zeledon5.2222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   1.3750    12.4723
    Universitario0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   4.2917    12.1667
    Costa Rica   5.2222   2.0000   2.8333   1.0417   0.8750    11.9723
    Suchitepequez2.0000   1.5000   7.5000   0.0000   0.0000    11.0000
    Santa Tecla  0.2500   4.0000   1.2500   4.1111   1.3889    10.9999
    Real Esteli  4.0000   0.0000   4.0000   1.7500   0.3333    10.0833
    Marathon     2.8333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   1.0556     9.6806
    Honduras     2.8333   2.2500   2.5000   1.0417   1.0556     9.6806
    Independiente0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   1.2917     9.1667
    Panama       0.7500   2.0000   3.5833   1.5417   1.2917     9.1667
    W. Ferretti  1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   4.2500   2.3333     8.5833
    Central      0.6667   5.5000   1.8333   0.0833   0.3333     8.4166
    Waterhouse   6.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     8.4166
    Antigua (GUA)2.0000   1.5000   4.5000   0.0000   0.0000     8.0000
    FAS          1.7500   1.0000   1.2500   1.1111   2.8889     7.9999
    Aguila       0.2500   1.0000   1.2500   4.1111   0.3889     6.9999
    Is. Metapan  0.2500   4.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.3889     6.9999
    W Connection 0.6667   4.0000   1.8333   0.0833   0.3333     6.9166
    Verdes       0.0000   6.0000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     6.0000
    Dragon       0.2500   1.0000   2.7500   1.1111   0.3889     5.4999
    Portmore Utd 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   1.0833   2.3333     5.4166
    Guastatoya   2.0000   1.5000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000     5.0000
    Guatemala    2.0000   1.5000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000     5.0000
    El Salvador  0.2500   1.0000   1.2500   1.1111   0.3889     3.9999
    Montego Bay  0.6667   2.5000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     3.9166
    Arnett Gard. 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   1.3333     3.4166
    Franciscain  0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   1.3333     3.4166
    Nicaragua    1.0000   0.0000   1.0000   0.7500   0.3333     3.0833
    Atl. Pantoja 0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     2.4166
    CFU          0.6667   1.0000   0.3333   0.0833   0.3333     2.4166
    Belize       0.0000   1.5000   0.0000   0.0000   0.0000     1.5000
     
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  25. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Time for the ever-popular "what if they used better rankings to do the draw" post.

    Coefficients are based on the conclusion of the 2018 Concacaf Champions League. Draw done with a random number generator. Teams from the same country cannot be paired.

    If Concacaf stuck with the current format (2 pots, knockout draw):

    Pot 1: UANL (86.0416), Toluca (57.5416), Herediano (53.0973), New York (51.8751), Santos (47.5416), Toronto (45.3333), Saprissa (43.5973), Kansas City (43.3751)

    Pot 2: Monterrey (35.5416), Houston (24.8751), Atlanta (17.3571), Alianza (15.6111), Independiente (10.4583), Marathon (9.8750), Guastatoya (7.0000), Atletico Pantoja (2.2500)

    A system based on actual club performance puts two Costa Rican teams into Pot 1, and their draws get significantly better than real life as a result.

    New York - Marathon
    Toluca - Houston
    Santos - Atlanta
    Herediano - Independiente
    Toronto - Monterrey
    Saprissa - Alianza
    UANL - Guastatoya
    Kansas City - Atletico Pantoja

    If Concacaf went to 4 groups of 4:

    Pot 1: UANL, Toluca, Herediano, New York
    Pot 2: Santos, Toronto, Saprissa, Kansas City
    Pot 3: Monterrey, Houston, Atlanta, Alianza
    Pot 4: Independiente, Marathon, Guastatoya, Atletico Pantoja

    Same rules regarding countries:

    Group A: Toluca, Saprissa, Atlanta, Marathon
    Group B: Herediano, Kansas City, Monterrey, Guastatoya
    Group C: New York, Santos, Alianza, Atletico Pantoja
    Group D: UANL, Toronto, Houston, Marathon

    Groups A and B would be insane, Group D would be a lot of fun, and Group C would have two games of consequence.
     
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