CONCACAF 2022 U20/U23 Championships Tournament Thread

Mexico has one European player on their U20 roster. That’s not really evidence they didn’t have a problem. We will have more than one Euro player. And we’ll have plenty of MLS players too. How many of the MLS players that Mexico called are playing regularly for their clubs right now?

Santiago Muñoz Isn’t relevant given that their U21s are playing during the window and not at the same time as this tournament.

Gomez being released is also a sign that his club doesn’t feel like he’s close to the first team yet.

Let’s wait till the US roster is released before we start complaining about players who were released?

 

What? How did you arrive at this conclusion?

 

If the club thought he was close to being a regular first team player they’d likely want him there for the start of preseason, as Arsenal seem to with Flores.

He’s only been there five months and the jump from USL is large, so it’s not crazy that he’s not quite ready for the first team yet.

 

Not all clubs react the same.

Gomez was on the first team bench not long after arriving. I think that shows how they rate him.

I’ve heard that he’s rated very high by Real Sociedad. Their fans seem to recognize his ability.

I hope USMNT fans don’t start acting like this doesn’t matter, if he plays for Mexico.

 

Spanish clubs generally take longer to get players to their first teams than other countries. Spain’s player development methodology is a lot more patient compared to other countries. Gomez doing what he’s done already and getting on a first team match day roster so quickly is a huge testament to his talent.

 

Saying he’s not close to first team football doesn’t mean he doesn’t matter or that he’s not a good prospect. It just means he not close to the first team yet.

Is it your expectation he’s going to spend much time playing for the first team this fall?

 

His choice won't be impacted by fans reaction.

 

Either way, if Gomez plays for Mexico fans should be pretty pissed. Unfortunately Gregg & co can’t win them all but this was a pretty critical one to win. I won’t be in uproar directly at Gregg and ussoccer about this one, there’s a huge cultural connection for the Mexican Americans that makes recruiting against Mexico harder than any other country for us by far. JoGo likely had all of his family, and most of his non ussoccer playing friends all telling him to play for Mexico. On top of that, he likely grew up religiously devoted to watching El Tri making it even harder for us

 

I see some guys already blaming GGG as to why he didn't call him in for the Gold Cup. I guess they will always try someone to blame and will never consider the player's reason as a legit answer. There is always someone to blame.

He wasn't ready and still isn't ready for the senior team for neither US nor Mexico. That's why Mexico is calling him up to their U20s and not to their senior team. Kid is okay with going through the process of playing U20s and one day making it to their senior team. But here people wanted him in the senior team cap tied and given minutes while playing in USL otherwise it was Gregg's incompetence for calling in Bello and Vines.

 

Very few 2003’s are ready for the senior level. Exceptions are golden boy talents or players who’s position has such little depth that the first player with a pulse could get called up. Outside of those situations we shouldn’t ever expect a 18-19 year old to be ready for the senior international level unless they’re actively getting it done in a top 5 league or the champions league

 

Never said it would be. Let's not revise history is my point. Gomez is an elite level prospect. Don't try to sell me on George Bello or John Tolkin. If they have better careers, something went terribly wrong in Gomez' career.

Also, this idea that this won't be any eventual issue for the USMNT is crazy. People talk about Antonee Robinson as if he's some world class LB. He's nearly 25 years old, and was playing in the Championship last year. He'll play in the Premier League this season, but there's also a chance that he's a back up or he's back in the Championship next season. If we had a team full of Antonee Robinson's, we aren't getting any better. He may not be the problem, but he's not the solution.

Now imagine that Gomez will play for our biggest rival. Potentially 100+ caps for Mexico. How many games will that have some impact on our team? Probably a lot, given direct competition and indirect results within the region. As long as Gomez pans out, thats almost certainly the biggest dual-nat loss ever. You cannot lose players at that level to Mexico. Losing a player to England or Germany or Japan is a lot more palatable.

 

Hasn't stood out?

Not sure any of us are watching enough of Vizela youth teams to have an opinion on that. He's played a few games for the first team, and done well. Playing only limited minutes as the youngest player on their first team when the team was battling relegation all season doesn't mean he hasn't stood out at the club level.

I'm not sure what #8's would be better options.

 

Well, they did end up getting released after all.

https://stconcacafwp001.blob.core.windows.net/media/zvvenxhj/cmu20-provisional-rosters.pdf

 

At what point I said that Gomez isn't the top prospect? You are creating paper tigers and then heroically fighting them.

 

Indeed Gomez is on both the US and Mexico list and Koleosho is on both the US and Canada list.

 

I'm not saying you did. I'm talking about what I am already seeing from others.

 

Do the players need to consent to being on these rosters?

 

Don't want to cause fratricidal conflict but the wrong Wolff is on the list.

 

The only player from the most recent U20 camp not on the provisional list is Anthony Sorenson. Anyone know if he is injured?

 

Also, if he was a standout for his club, wouldn't we be calling him up for the USMNT instead?