Coming clash of UEFA vs FIFA after the corona epidemic

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  1. feyenoordsoccerfan

    feyenoordsoccerfan Member+

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    #1 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 20, 2020
    Japanese virus expert pessimistic about the Olympics in 2021.
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...irus-kentaro-iwata-pessimistic-olympics-2021/

    This and other scientists comments on the virus situation tells it's almost certain the Euro 2021 is an illusion.
    Also it's a question whether qualification matches for the Qatar 2022 can/will take place.

    So what can this scenario mean?
    UEFA has billions at stake from the Euros, as has FIFA from the WC.
    UEFA has the tournement more or less ready, it only needs to be started.
    FIFA has the problem that the time frame in which the qualies have to take place is on a head collision track with the clubs that need matches to refill their treasure chests and pay off debts incurred in the lockdown tiem frame.
    It's possible that UEFA decides to run the Euro in 2022.
    Most likely the European leagues will support that, as their clubs need to be free from qualies in 2021. It is impossible to play all qualies for the European countries without damaging already hard strucken European clubs.
    No qualies puts FIFA in a very difficult position. How are they going to force the Euro leagues to have those qualies, if it could mean for the top clubs their end at the worst.
    Kicking out all Euro nations out of the WC isnot an option either as nobody is going to pay billions for watching matches without the European stars.

    Interesting times ahead.
     
  2. vancity eagle

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    #2 vancity eagle, Apr 20, 2020
    At the very least they could send their top ranked teams similar to what concacaf is doing with their WCQ. If they cannot fit in qualifiers.

    They could even do a shortened qualifier and have the top 26 teams play a double header playoff qualifier.

    So many options.
     
  3. BocaFan

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    #3 BocaFan, Apr 20, 2020
    Awful idea, no offense. CONCACAF's idea shouldn't be replicated anywhere. It still involves at least 12 matchdays so it isn't all the short either.

    IMO, they could just replicate the formats used in the qualifying for the under-20 world cup.
     
  4. Paul Calixte

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    #4 Paul Calixte, Apr 20, 2020
    Apples and oranges. The key quote:

    That's the difference: UEFA doesn't have to worry if COVID-19 is under control in Papua New Guinea or in Panama. Maybe they can't play the games at full-capacity, but unless a vaccine proves impossible to come by in the next 15 months, Euro 2021 will happen.
     
  5. BocaFan

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    #5 BocaFan, Apr 20, 2020
    The Euros aren't as global as the Olympics but they are played across Europe and even Central Asia so that could be a bit problematic. Of course, if push comes to shove they could just re-format and hold the whole tournament in, say, 2 neighboring countries. But you'd still have fans travelling in from all over the world just like with the Olympics.
     
  6. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #6 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 20, 2020
  7. Paul Calixte

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    #7 Paul Calixte, Apr 21, 2020
    UEFA could just copy what Brazil and Chile did a few years ago and switch up the order: Germany 2021, Europa 2024.

    ...or not. No reason Euro 2021 can't go ahead in the midst of restrictions on travel from outside Europe (esp. with 99.9% of the participating players already there). As an example, the Copa América would be more dependent on players being able to make it from Europe and get examined in time.


    Just in time. As in, if UEFA has to choose between shoehorning what would've been the 2020-21 Champions League and making space for Euro 2021, I think they'll go with the latter. When it's safe to resume play, as Montagliani has said, domestic leagues will start first - and if not earlier, than the knockout round of the current (2019-20) Champions League would be completed in the spring of 2021.
     
  8. BocaFan

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    #8 BocaFan, Apr 21, 2020
    Not sure its up to UEFA. The clubs are the ones paying the players. And the players want to play (and get paid). But I guess the Euros could always be pushed back to start in mid-July so that club competitions have until 30 June to be completed, if needed.
     
  9. Paul Calixte

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    #9 Paul Calixte, Apr 21, 2020
    Man, how things change...to think, you could have written this verbatim a month ago and I would've believed you were talking about 2020 :ROFLMAO:
     
  10. EvanJ

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    #10 EvanJ, Apr 21, 2020
    The purpose of FIFA and confederations is that they make rules and policies for smaller entities, not to have FAs, leagues, and clubs rule. Could anyone force UEFA to play club competitions if they didn't want to? Is there a binding agreement between UEFA and leagues and/or clubs, and could UEFA get out of the agreement for a year in this case?
     
  11. vancity eagle

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    #11 vancity eagle, Apr 23, 2020
    what about the FIFA club world cup being the big loser in all of this. :thumbsup:
     
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  12. BocaFan

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    #12 BocaFan, Apr 23, 2020
    Yes, it may have to get postponed but probably only by a year.

    I wonder if the UEFA Nations League will ever come back though(?). I think most people liked it a lot more than friendlies, but this will kill a lot of its momentum. It might have to disappear for 4 years.
     
  13. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #13 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 23, 2020
    The UEFA isnot in control of League schedules. That's purely FA's territory. So you can't force UEFA to do something they have no control over in the first place.
     
  14. deejay

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    #14 deejay, Apr 27, 2020
    I agree. Olympics is mostly a local audience. The important thing will be getting the athletes on TV. Testing should be doable for the 10 to 12k athletes participating.
     
  15. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #15 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 30, 2020
    Yup...ease the measures against the virus while nothing has changed (no vaxx/no cures/no virus mutation into harmless mode) and be surprised.
    So if nothing has changed this Hokkaido situation is a stark warning and an indication that Euro 2021 is an illusion. As are the CL/EL.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52305055
    Coronavirus lockdown: Lessons from Hokkaido's second wave of infections
    By Rupert Wingfield-Hayes BBC News, Tokyo
    16 April 2020

    It was once seen as something of a success story - a region that worked to contain, trace and isolate the virus - leading to a huge drop in numbers. But Hokkaido is in the spotlight again as it struggles to deal with a second wave of infections.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #16 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 30, 2020
    This all points into one direction, the scarce resource of play dates in the aftermath of the virus impact.
    Europe is by far the most important place in relation to soccer. It's the place where the most money is to be made by clubs and national teams.
    So UEFA and the clubs arenot going to make room for FIFA matches in a situation where both the Euro clubs and UEFA need those play dates to replenish their treasure chests.
     
  17. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #17 feyenoordsoccerfan, May 1, 2020
    And the first shots have been fired.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...uefa-executive-committee-member-idUSL4N2CI1O7
    Soccer-Virus can affect calendar for years: UEFA executive committee member

    April 30 (Reuters) - The COVID-19 crisis could hit soccer’s international calendar for “two to three years” and potentially affect the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, Lars-Christer Olsson, an executive committee member of European soccer’s governing body UEFA has said.

    The novel coronavirus, which has infected over 3.13 million people globally causing more than 218,000 deaths, has wreaked havoc on the soccer schedule with Euro 2020 postponed to 2021 and national leagues and continental club competitions on hold.

    The Qatar World Cup is set to take place from Nov. 21-Dec. 18, 2022 and Olsson said it was a case of “wait and see” if the quadrennial event would be hit.
     
  18. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #18 feyenoordsoccerfan, May 1, 2020
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...ts-football-faces-three-years-disruption.html
    Now coronavirus could hit the World Cup: UEFA chief admits football faces 'two or three years' of disruptions... with the Qatar tournament in December 2022 at risk
    • Coronavirus has brought football to a halt across the world in recent months
    • UEFA chief believes international game could be affected for 'two or three years'
    • That means the 2022 World Cup in Qatar could be at risk due to the pandemic
     
  19. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #19 feyenoordsoccerfan, May 2, 2020
  20. Holiday_Jenkins

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    #20 Holiday_Jenkins, Jul 15, 2020
    Good news for once. United States may have found a vaccine.
     
  21. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #21 feyenoordsoccerfan, Jul 15, 2020
    Fake news.
     
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  22. Paul Calixte

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    #22 Paul Calixte, Jul 15, 2020
    What is not fake news is that the major leagues in Europe (France excepted) are managing to finish up their seasons...and even MLS has finally gotten its bubble in order, albeit with 2 teams kicked out of its tournament (no new positives in the last two days).
     
  23. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #23 feyenoordsoccerfan, Jul 20, 2020
  24. Paul Calixte

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    #24 Paul Calixte, Sep 8, 2020
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2020
    Worth updating over here:

    We have now seen leagues finish in Europe, the UCL and Europa League bubbles play to completion without a hitch, and the first two matchdays in the UEFA NL finish up with only a couple isolated cases and one major one (the Czechs having to throw out a reserve team against Scotland, after nearly forfeiting). It looks like European football is set, the loss in ticket revenue aside, for the foreseeable future...

    FIFA OTOH are going to have to make some tough, practical decisions in the near future (i.e. between truncated WCQ formats and simply pushing the WC finals back to March or June 2023), with perhaps 2/3 of world football unable to safely carry out NT games until early next year at best.
     
  25. BocaFan

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    #25 BocaFan, Sep 8, 2020
    Way too early to say that IMO. The bubble events during the summer went smoothly but the real test for the UEFA leagues was always going to be this season. The new season is already starting to look more like Major League Baseball than what we saw over the summer in the top UEFA leagues. First the Czechs had to essentially throw away a match and now 7 PSG players are infected. I assume that means their next 2 matches are postponed though I haven't seen any confirmation of that.
     
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