Colombian National Team General Thread

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  1. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    this is the sad sad truth of colombian football and why we never evolve. What a shame that everything is so predictable.
     
  2. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    yea def will stop supporting the nt if Bolillo or pinto return
     
  3. colombianballa91

    Jul 2, 2007
    NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    Gio reyna is def one to watch as he has gotten solid playing time at dortmund at 17/18 yrs old
     
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  4. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Mckennie is nothing special, he could be good when all these other talents really hit stride. Adams who plays for Leipzig now is a bit better but they're both nothing crazy right now, but I think will be good solid players in the future.

    Sergino Dest is a ********en baller already, they have nothing to do with his development but he's on their books. Pulisic is a baller already so is Gio Reyna, these guys are all performing at a real high level in the champions league and they're babies. Yunas Munsah is a top prospect and looks likely to commit to their program, Konrad De La Fuente looks like a solid prospect and so does the Weah kid. They have a lot of players who could be really good if things go right and that are on the books at big clubs as well as 3 top level players who look to be future stars so I'd say they are in good shape.

    MLS level is not going to pass Europe anytime soon, but their player development through MLS has come a super long way and they are now realizing developing quality players that succeed leads to big transfer fees and that snowballs on and on. USA has money and they've put it into smart development of players now, they're getting better but they're still not at our level but could be and pass us over the next 10 years if we don't make some changes to how we train our young guys and the level of trainers we produce.
     
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  5. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    US soccer is really great until players go pro. The reason is simple: for many many kids is a clear opportunity to earn a scholarship and with so many programs, the amount of talent is significant at around U-17 and U-30.

    Yet, this is the same reason why there aren’t that many good American professional players. At an age when, all over the world, real talent has been scouted and is already playing against top level competition, American kids are playing against other American kids.

    This approach works for the NBA and the NFL, because there’s no other league at their level, and they can farm the best college players that really don’t have many options. But for soccer, it doesn’t work that well and the MLS ends up being stagnant, with the surviving college kids, some middle of the road South and Central American talent and the old stars trying to squeeze another big paycheck before retiring.

    The only way to break this cycle is to send your young talent to top teams in Europe and that’s why the future looks promising right now. But so far, it is only a few promising players, not yet a full competing team.
     
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  6. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    how much have we really evolved over the past 20 years? Feels like we took 15 years to make a tiny advancement and now we're yet again beginning to stagnate. Honestly, I think pretty much anyone could surpass us at any point in time.

    never heard of that tuna guy.
     
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  7. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    and you have to develop continuisly players in your league.....

    yeah maybe we can say that our National team is full europe....but for example from 2014 to 2018........from our league appeared: mina, barrios, davinson, borja, lerma, uribe,....that went to world cup...and surely will appear more in these two years...now since last world cup we have diaz, villa, cantillo, campuzano, yairo moreno, orejuele, daniel muñoz, etc

    if we would only count with the players of europe and top leagues we wouldnt have a national team....


    this aplly to argentina, brasil, uruguay etc,,,,


    and in the other side agree with @Doogs ...there is a marketing machine, wih tthat hype because are americans in toop euro teams.......and thatt doesnt guarantee all..ask that to italanias, germans, english and spanish.....


    agree
     
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  8. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    i remember when toja arrived there with fredy montero.......all people was hyping how good will be the MLS...thanks to the arrival of the soyth america young talent....
     
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  9. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    idk if i should trust this guy but he's the only decent colombian manager around

     
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  10. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Somebody said that and that Pekerman will manage Chile
     
  11. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    That would be the best.......but i dont want to make false ilussions...
     
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  12. lvbeto

    lvbeto Member

    Jul 27, 2007
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Giovanny Reyna plays at Borussia and is getting a lot of hype for a young player.
     
  13. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Gio is great - physically reminds me of Francescoli the way he protects the ball and times his runs into the box. Only 17 but plays with huge confidence in both Bundesliga and CL. As a BvB fan his development is super exciting.

    Back on topic - these Bolillo rumors are terrifying.
     
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  14. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    To be fair Toja wasn't that much even in Colombia, and Montero was succesfull the first seasons with the Sounders, he was top goalscorer for several years.

    I recall (if my memory serves for shit) that they even managed to sell him to an abroad team. He sucked there and went back to the Withecaps a couple years ago.
     
  15. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    [​IMG]
     
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  16. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Sporting Lisboa, where he had his moments, mostly as instant offense of the bench. The problem with the move is that he was rather old when it happened and didn’t have much of an opportunity to develop further.
     
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  17. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    yeah they were good in mls...even montero in sporting in portugal wasnt bad....

    But the reality is that mls didnt become a better lleague beacuae of him and the movement wasnt benefical in hia career.....he stop to being a nt player

    Every 5 years i heard that mls is getting young top talenr of south america and they are gettimg better....

    Then results are the same
     
  18. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    For a league to become successful, the base talent has to be good.

    Meaning you will spend money and bring some aging stars

    You will scout South America and get some good prospects there

    But then the drop off is massive. Even in the good teams, 60% of the teams are guys with very little skill or technique.

    No matter the economics, la liga, Argentina, brazil, epl, serie a, Bundesliga, all have a ton of national players playing and that's what keeps those leagues afloat.

    MLS squads are just too poor to even consider competing with a major league any time soon
     
  19. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Part of it is the way that the league managers strives for parity, which I understand works for the other American sports and it has allowed MLS to be in so many markets and consolidate a solid fan base in diverse locations. But the fact that most teams are competitive in the MLS, means that most likely, all of them suck.

    Another factor that somehow allows the talent to dilute, is the number of teams. Really, even in modest leagues you know that the best players will gravitate to the top 5 or so teams and that the rest has a few interesting prospects and a bunch of scrubs. By having 26 teams and incentivizing parity, you end up with all teams having a couple of good players, a couple of prospects and a bunch of scrubs.

    If MLS wanted to become a serious league and to improve the USMNT, they would have to reduce the number of teams and let the market rules play their part regarding the player distribution, but what is good for the USMNT, is not necessarily good for the MLS.
     
  20. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The US is massive. Having 26 teams or more isn’t a problem. He’ll be like Brazil and have localized leagues then the play off situation.

    Issue is what you said the league wants all teams to be close to each other. So it makes it difficult to actually just buy a dream team
     
  21. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Brasil only have 4 states with competitive football, sao paulo, rio, portoaleagre and minas gerias.....isnt because the size of the country but because in thos states they produce a huge volume of players............dont imagine florida with the same mass production of footballer of sao paulo
     
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  22. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Maybe not Sao Paolo, but actually Florida has a huge production of athletes they just don't go into OUR football!

    I'd never thought about the concentration of Brazil's futbol into those four states it's an interesting observation. The number of teams each of those states supports is wild.

    The interesting thing is MLS actually has pretty solid attendance (roughly on par with baseball and on avg I think not far from a lot of South American leagues) with a lot of soccer specific stadiums with great atmosphere - it's just struggled to maintain a broader tv audience (tv soccer fans in the states tend to just watch European or Mexican soccer).
     
  23. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Then they would have to end their Ponzi scheme. The new franchise fee is what’s keeping the league afloat.
     
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  24. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Brazil has the state championships and the Brazilerao. Most regional teams will not make a lot of noise but a lot of good players will move to bigger teams or other leagues; there’s an economic incentive on being a talent groomer. There’s really not much coming that way in the MLS, so obviously teams rely on TV and a very solid fan base.
     
  25. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I don't see any wrong with the growth of football. Growth snow balls to other countries. So by all means.
     
  26. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    The biggest necessity for developing talent is having a pipeline that gets these kids into professional environments early and allows them to be mentored and developed. Having a a weaker domestic league I'd argue is actually better in most cases for development, because if you get the kids ready they can now play first team games and get good experience. England had a top league for a lot of years but their development was shit because they never promoted the technical players.

    In regards to your earlier post you're right that the college route has really screwed American soccer, but with MLS now embracing academies that route is secondary. The best talent is going directly to the best academies and they are in the professional pipeline right away, that's a huge difference and you're starting to see Europe now scoop up lots of these kids from MLS and that pipeline will keep going. The MLS product will benefit from this, but it is too diluted, too many teams and not enough quality and the pay of domestic players is shit so they'll keep losing the best talent until they change that.
     
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