Pre-match: Colombia vs. Costa Rica (Monday June 1, 2026 - 7:00 PM EST)

Discussion in 'Colombian National Team' started by Furnaccio, May 27, 2026.

  1. praxis.en

    praxis.en Member+

    May 13, 2015
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I think thats Puerta and RR just watching the ball
     
  2. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Didn't find out much as Costa Rica are pretty weak, but it was a send off so it served its purpose. I think Cucho now staring and playing as a 9 is a good window into Lorenzo's poor planning. He never used him in his obvious best position and then calls him up and he's now the backup 9 if Cordoba isn't fit enough. He had ample time to try him and get him some reps with all of these guys in that position and see how it goes but he never did stubbornly and then to his credit seems to have reversed course but its such an obvious mistake due to stubbornness and foresight that it happens.

    Carrascal was bad as usual, but I like Puerta and Rios midfield, would like to see those 2 with Arias or James, that's how we should be playing vs the weaker sides where we expect most of possession.
     
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  3. HomietheClown

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    Sep 4, 2010
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    #178 HomietheClown, Jun 2, 2026
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    Cucho kinda played 9 in the Canada friendly in October but yes, he should have been given more chances.

    The Rios- Puerta partnership was nice to see and could get better as the years go by.
    But in the “now” I think we missed Lerma in this kind of game to help out the CBs and clog things up defensively.
     
  4. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    We had 70% ball possession and Costa Rica has nothing going forward, if we need to put on a net negative Lerma in possession to deal with Costa Rica we are in big trouble. We've seen it over and over again in games against weaker sides Lerma just looks lost with lots of possession and having to build up play.
     
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  5. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    He would have provided defensive cover. Especially in the air. Also offensively he could have provided something . We saw it in the Mexico match and secondly half of Australia.
     
  6. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    a 6 in high possession games is like a quarterback, lots of attacks go through you just because he has a nice shot or header here and there doesn't override his inability to pass and start attacks and when given time he's a net negative vs peers, when pressured he can't handle and dribble through, other players are also defensive coverage that should be able to handle teams like Costa Rica and give much more on the ball.

    When I looked last year Lerma is like bottom 5% on the ball for top leagues in passing, and he's down there too in dribbling, he's a huge net negative compared to the average player at the top level, he's not in the top 10% defensively either. There's a reason why he's mostly moved back to a back up CB at CP, and the demand for Colombia as a lone 6 is even more than Crystal Palace's double pivot formation and isn't a possession based side.
     
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  7. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    You are making it seem like he is a bumbling idiot and a liability defensively against inferior teams. That narrative is just not true.
    He was one of or best midfielders in the Copa America. He was also one of our best players period. Scored a clutch goal against a team that really defends well in the air to put us in the Final.
    I am all for giving Puerta and Portilla some chances and they have some strengths that Lerma does not have. But he is not bad and knows his role and has helped us win. Which is importantly the highest priority.
     
  8. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    He is kind of a bumbling idiot essentially on the ball in possession. didn't say anything about him being a liability defensively, he's just not good enough defensively to make up for his downsides, James constantly having to come really deep to get on the ball throughout the years is a problem because of our lack of players in possession at the base of midfield being able to build play and accept pressure while on the ball, luckily Rios came along and helped in that area alot.
     
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  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    He helps us win. He helps us defensively and offensively. Not only in the Copa America but in qualifying as well.
    I do not think it is a coincidence that during the long marathon of qualifiers we lost four matches. Three of those matches Lerma did not start.


    I do not care about his weaknesses as long as we win.
     
  10. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I agree with the first point made in the original post, but the next point seems like an exaggeration. I wouldn’t label him a bumbling idiot, and I don’t believe James dropping deep is related to his passing issues. James drops back because he plays as a free-floating midfielder and has always done this, even when Lerma is not on the field. Additionally, James is not always quick enough or fit enough to make forward runs consistently. As a result, it's common for him to be walking around during offensive situations, and when a turnover occurs, we become even more exposed. This isn’t a Lerma issue; it's a formation problem when playing with three midfielders — one who floats, one who pivots, and one who primarily holds the midfield for interceptions.

    I do agree that Lerma isn’t a great passer. However, his defensive skills are better than you suggest, and he keeps that center five role well organized. While it’s not a double pivot, we rely on Rios for that role.

    Also purely based on the Costa Rica game, it seems Lucho is also floating around more often, and even some double floaters with Lucho and another attacking mid.
     
  11. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    #186 villus, Jun 2, 2026
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    I mean he's basically bottom 5% in possession for top 5 leagues, I wouldn't use the term bumbling idiot but we can call it whatever we want he's very very bad in possession. When you have that big a weakness and you want to play a possession game you are a net liability in the current game to even consider him he needs to be elite defensively which I don't think he is, he's not even a natural 6 and never has been as we've used him at times. You can't have a midfielder at the base of your midfield be that poor and want to dominate possession effectively, and we've seen that play out over and over again where he doesn't want possession or simply misses easy passes/doesn't have any good passing in his locker or dribbling. He's fine out of possession and he's fine defensively, it doesn't make up for his weakness on the ball.

    We can play a formation to hide him, but why we are currently playing a formation to hide James defensively that isn't working well and is exploitable and then trying to do the same going forward with Lerma we become exploitable again to hide him as teams can just leave him open and force the ball to him and mark heavily the other players which we've seen teams do. James offensively there is an argument and has been to carry him defensively, Lerma carrying him offensively I don't see it because he effects everything where attacks should start and he should get lots of the ball in games we dominate.

    Lerma barely plays for club, I'm tired of us hamstringing in guys who are off form, Lerma just isn't a workable midfielder if we want to hit new levels we need to search out other solutions, the modern game you can't easily hide players with bid deficiencies unless they are Messi/Mbappe levels if you want to hit the top tier, and even in that case its pretty clear that Mbappe's teams have fared better without having to carry him defensively. Teams press and pressure all over the field, if you can't do that defensively and you can't handle that offensively you are going to be exploited unless you provide elite production to justify the weakness.
     
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  12. lvbeto

    lvbeto Member

    Jul 27, 2007
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    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Time to pick on Quintero.

    Did you guys notice how slow he looked out there? The whole first half he kept massaging his upper leg. He probably wasn't fit to play. When Quintero got the ball, he seemed to always have to stop, look at where the players were then make the pass. It's like he couldn't make a pass unless he was standing still. No power on the passes and he kept falling.
     
  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

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    Bogota takes a toll on players not used to it.
     
  14. praxis.en

    praxis.en Member+

    May 13, 2015
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    He has a thing that i never see him do in River making really awful mistakes. He also did it with DIM. Losing the ball in really critical spots on the field.
     
  15. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
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    I am not concerned about JuanFer. Once the bright lights turn on for the World Cup he will be ready to shine. He is that type of personality.
     
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  16. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I agree that vs bunkering teams, the duo of Puerta and Rios makes infinitely more sense.


    Hell even against stronger sides like France, Spain, and Portugal who love to press, you need the guy that can help maintain possession and control of the ball

    just wish Puerta was stronger defensively as Lerma does offer much more on that aspect when the other team has the ball
     
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  17. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I feel the same. JFQ has a wonder goal up his sleeve and he’s smart enough to know it shouldn’t be wasted against Costa Rica and Jordan.

    He has the opportunity to be the first / only Colombian with goals in 3 world cups!
     
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  18. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Yup you can't have guys in midfield who aren't comfortable being pressured and on the ball anymore, the days of having players with big weaknesses is largely gone if you want to compete. Pressing being widely deployed largely seeks out and exploits the weak link in the chain both with the ball and without, if you can't have a press with everyone the wink link is exploited and if you have guys who can't offer much with the ball its the same. I like Puerta, I think eventually he will be a stalwart for us if he can keep developing. Puerta, Deossa, Solis offer very different skill sets and I think we probably have good options there for the future, its just a shame the later 2 were unlucky with club situation or injuries this last year, but I think we have a great mix now and if you have Puerta with Rios and one of these guys you can easily shield him in a midfield 3, or even Arias in the 10.
     
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  19. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    To me

    Lerma is more of a guy that comes in if we are leading

    to start the game, we need someone who is better at absorbing pressure
     
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  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
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    The wins-losses-draws this cycle do not correlate with this idea of yours. We do our best with Lerma.
    Not to say it will always be this way.
    With a bit of experimentation of tactics and lineups and the stepping up of the players themselves maybe this idea of yours and villus can be the way forward. I just think he is going to be the main starter in the WC.
     
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  21. colombianballa91

    Jul 2, 2007
    NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    This is why I think Lerma needs to be an undisputed starter. We saw the same garbage vs croatia in their first goal
    I disagree with benching lerma vs stronger teams. I agree with Homie that we need more defensive cover (defense needs all the help it can get tbh) and Rios and Puerta dont offer enough defensively to help out.

    Im not as high on Rios as others here, hes very hit or miss and tactically is a bit all over the place. You need someone like Lerma that at least provides some stability back there.
     
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  22. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I go back and forth on this, but I think for the first two games we do not need Lerma to start. he can come in as a sub if we have a comfortable lead, but we should be able to get the job done with Rios/Puerta as the two starting CMs

    maybe if Nestor decides to play a triple cinco - he can start Lerma to make it clear that we are bunkering down...
     
  23. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    We went back and forth on this awhile back and you do make valid points about Lerma and the games we won with him playing.

    if we look at the games post CA final - it's a mixed bag of wins/losses/draws with or without Lerma

    There's something about Lerma against certain opponents where his skill set is not needed in my eyes. you don't need a cannon to destory an ant hilll... i think that's how the saying goes.

    Was Lerma critical in the Venezuela / Bolivia games? from my perspective, i think we would have won those games if it were Rios/Portilla or even Rios/Castano.
     
  24. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
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    Club:
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    There is no way to prove that but we will never know.
    Conversely, could he have helped us get positive results against the likes of Uruguay, Ecuador, Bolivia? I think he could have but we will never know that either. Two of those losses were more on Cordoba’s blunders and inaccuracies. The Uruguay match though was more defensive lapses he surely could have helped us out with.
     
  25. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yes. The road goes both ways. fair point.

    Assuming we play 5-8 games this World Cup, I don’t think tactically Lerma needs to start all those games. Should he start in some of them - I am ok with that, but if the priority becomes an area of the game where his skill set is not needed, Nestor should sub him out quickly. That can be applied to some of the others too.

    I am just trying to think of the team as 22+ starters. Rather than 11+5
     

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