Collegiate Players in the WWC

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Eddie K, Jun 16, 2019.

  1. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    So, you hear this argument that college soccer is not good for developing professional or international players....on the men's side. But on the women's side, it seems to be working just fine. Of course, the 2nd half of the argument is, "compared to the alternatives/competition", that is, true professional academies, which are still very rare for women at this point.

    The NCAA put this post on IG today and did one for the Canada/NZ game as well that was pretty revealing. That Chilean GK, I assume, was awesome at S. Florida.

    I think only Horan (unc commit but went to psg) and Pugh (ucla but went to Wash Spirit) are not on this chart:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/ByxpxRDBiha/

    Maybe the question is, would some or all of these US players become noticeably better had they spent time in a professional academy earlier? Maybe went to Europe instead of college like Yedlin, Pulisic, or Freddy Adu (oops).
     
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  2. PlaySimple

    PlaySimple Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    If national teams were allowed to trade for players from other countries I would take Christane Endler, the Chilean keeper, over Alyssa Naeher in a heartbeat. I believe that if Endler chose to she would be eligible to play on the German national team due to being a dual citizen.

    FWIW, Yedlin played for two years at Akron.

    Here's an interesting perspective on Horan's route to professional soccer and not playing collegiately along with some of her thoughts:

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-wo...print-paved-the-way-for-us-star-lindsey-horan
     
  3. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    your post was before the WC final so obviously our wacky TITLE IX is still numero uno. The most impressive thing about it is that we won even though the most of the world's richest clubs have finally started paying attention to woso. But unfortunately they still treat their female programs as 2nd class citizens. Famed clubs like Bayern Munich & Chelsea pay their female players something like 100 times less in comparison to their male stars. Often they got to train on the shabbiest playing fields & don't often measure up to the athletic training facilties provided by our colleges.

    Noticed too that the pro females usually still live in cramped dorm style living quarters(provided by their clubs) well into their 30's(as comparison, most college kids want to live off campus by the time they turn soph/juniors.
    So moslty due to the low pay in the pros, it just hasn't made woso that attractive to the rest of the world to produce the amount of quality players needed to win an WC

    at the same time, a lot of criticism going around on how expensive soccer has become in the US. Seen these figure before; the average housold(parents) income a soccer player is over $100K/but is this just for those who payed for elite/select or everyone who played the game period? Which ever, it's made the game way too exclusive
    Cost of women’s soccer in US excluding various ethnic groups
     
  4. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    it takes time for systems to bed in. to say Title 9 is still numero uno is overly simplistic.
     
  5. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Europe has had the going to the pro's structure for decades(except very few woso players paid a real salary once they turn adults)

    one note of interest; close to my hometown, Willlaim Carey U keeps winning the NAIA national championship for the last couple of years. Looking at their 2019 roster; 21 out of the 27 players are foreign nationals(mostly from Europe), The college can't possibly give 21 'full rides'. That so many foreigners come over & are willing to pay to play college ball shows the success of TITLE 9 as well
     
  6. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    Great point. Someone freaked out on BS back when WVU was in the Final Four with 'foreign players'....from Canada. Something that's been happening on the men's side for more then a generation. (Look at the NAIA All Americans in men's soccer).

    Question - Now that we've won the World Cup, again. Doesn't that reaffirm that we have the best development program in the world for women's soccer?

    But in men's soccer, since we can't even beat T&T and get into the final stage of the World Cup, our development system must be terrible and need massive reforms? Basically, the same system framework we use for the women (and have been using for the men since WAY before something called Title IX).

    Personally, I know it drives some crazy how bad our men's NT program is compared to the women. It's frustrating and somewhat embarrassing for all US fans that Panama is in the men's WC in our place. Reminds me of one of my favorite GD cover tunes:

     
  7. Enzo the Prince

    Sep 9, 2007
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    I'd still resist this, because we have routine embarrassing failures at Youth NT levels. We are still top heavy because we have such a massive pool of players to choose from, because the college game keeps players playing through ages where in other countries they might move on to other pursuits due to lack of opportunity, because our style of physical play+isolated 1v1 attacking is so effective, and because and the rest of the world is still behind in how they strength train female athletes. Don't get me wrong - we're obviously doing a lot of things right. I'm just not sure there's a single 'best' way.
     
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  8. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Some countries will pay the fees ("full-ride" equivalent) to send their students to USA colleges - if they can get in. It's more efficient than investing in a home university.
     
  9. mpr2477

    mpr2477 Member

    Jun 30, 2016
    Club:
    Vancouver MLS
    I’m not sure why there’s no WCC thread, cuz there needs to be after what I just witnessed tonight!

    what a freaking game between Pepperdine and Santa Clara. Pepp took a 3-0 win, I thought “well that’s the game”. But SC blitzkreig’d the Waves in the second have and stormed back to get a very important win, 4-3. There wasn’t much defense, but it didn’t matter. It was really fun to watch. SC reminds me of the ‘17 BYU team with Vascencelos/Gomes/Hatch that just came at you in waves, and was so fun to watch.
    While I do believe both these teams defense will be there undoing come tourney time, this was a wild and fun match to see!
     
  10. Kurt Kline

    Kurt Kline Member

    Ajax
    United States
    Jun 26, 2012
    Yorba Linda, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [QUOTE="mpr2477, post: 38254817, member: 294424"While I do believe both these teams defense will be there undoing come tourney time, this was a wild and fun match to see![/QUOTE]

    Instant Classic.
     
  11. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    You are one serious lurker, @Kurt Kline . 41 posts in 7 years. LOL
     
  12. ping

    ping Member

    Dec 7, 2009
    Just watched the replay. A lot of goals in a very short span of time for sure in the second half. Santa Clara definitely went at Pepperdine offensively but I thought the Pepperdine GK could have done better on a few of those goals. She spilled a not difficult save right in front of her to gift SC a goal(not what a GK is coached to do) and got caught off her line with a high shot from almost the sideline (not good.)

    That goal by Joell Anderson was class! So composed (but also terrible defending.)


    Totally agree that their defenses could be liabilities.
     
  13. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a Hofstra fan, and last Sunday I saw them remain in first in the CAA with a 1-1 tie hosting UNC Wilmington, who has Jamaican WWC goalkeeper Sydney Schneider. Schneider entered with 5 consecutive shutouts. UNC Wilmington led 1-0 at halftime and finished with more shots, but Hofstra extended their CAA undefeated streak to 11, and it went up to 12 on Thursday with a 5-1 win at consistently awful Towson, who has been below .500 in CAA games in all 19 of their years in the CAA. Hofstra leads 1-0 at William & Mary, and all CAA teams are playing their last regular season game now. The CAA has 3 vs. 6 and 4 vs. 5 games on Friday November 1, Semifinals on Sunday November 3, and Final on Saturday November 9.
     

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