Coaching Philosophies and the Gregg Berhalter System

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  1. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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  2. Bajoro

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    I saw Bruce in Charlottesville in May. He was looking trim, fit, and rested. He's prepared for the monumental task that is San Jose
     
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  3. gogorath

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    I wouldn't even interview for the San Jose job. Shit ownership, shit management and a fanbase that has been beaten into the ground.

    The weather's nice, even if San Jose itself is a bit boring, I guess. But both of those guys are capable of doing much, much better.
     
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  4. xbhaskarx

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    Gregg to the Quakes

     
  5. xbhaskarx

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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    the Tab Ramos "Hater Tour" continues


    (he's right, just not sure what purpose publicly saying I told you so serves for a guy who is ALSO currently out of a job)
     
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  6. Yowza

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    Oct 23, 2019
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    To his credit, he said he (meaning himself) was definitely not the guy for the job after bombing out in Houston.
     
  7. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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    FC Schalke 04
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    United States
    It was Deuce who first said it was wasted time.
     
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  8. Excellency

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    Nov 4, 2011
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    They should probably wait til season is over and see what drops into the market. I think Vanney's contract is up this year. SJ are better than the club Vanney took over in LA.

    What's the deal with the ownership? Are they just perennial major league type American oligopolists with no relegation to worry about? They built a nice stadium and the club died. I don't really follow them but hv to wonder what happened to them.
     
  9. gogorath

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    May 12, 2019
    Vanney's success triggered an extension. Plus, they are winning the west, so he's not leaving.

    I would disagree on the relative value of the jobs.

    The Quakes are owned by John Fisher, the same man who owns the Quakes. Mommy and Daddy made a lot of money with The Gap. Fisher tried his hand at going it alone, failed horribly, and has spent the rest of his career managing mommy and daddy's money and running the Gap into the ground.

    He systematically destroyed the A's (along with a partner who just so happened to be Bud Selig's fraternity brother!) by continually trading away any good player immediately and failing to invest in facilities even the tiniest little bit. Now he's trying to move them to Las Vegas, but doesn't actually have anywhere else to play and will be playing in a AAA ballpark in roasting Sacramento next year where they will be the SECOND scheduling priority behind said AAA team.

    He half built a decent stadium in San Jose for the Quakes but hasn't actually finished any of it in a decade. He doesn't spend on payroll, much like the A's. The big difference is he's never had Billy Beane in soccer to prop him up.

    He doesn't care about sports. He never goes to either game. He also won't sell despite massive appreciation. By all accounts, he's just a giant asshole who has been a colossal failure in everything except the easiest thing in the world -- making more money when you have an absurd amount of cash.
     
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  10. xbhaskarx

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    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Gregg can turn around the (incompetent but deep pocketed) Chicago Fire I will concede that Gregg is a good coach... in MLS


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  11. Marko72

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    He just wrote a goodbye letter to the fanbase of the Oakland As that I'm not sure he intended to be as insulting as it truly was. Local sports commentators were howling with derision at his very transparently false heartfelt posturing. "We never saw you at the games ever, unless you were hobnobbing with local politicians trying to beg public funds..."
     
  12. gogorath

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    I am dead certain he did not write that and I only give it about a 30% chance that he even knew about it.

    Though the rants are right on.
     
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  13. xbhaskarx

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    #9363 xbhaskarx, Sep 26, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2024
    UPDATE: As the USMNT transitions from Gregg to Poch, it's a good time to look back on Gregg's goals for the USMNT...
    First cycle: To change the way the world views American soccer.
    Second cycle: To change soccer in America forever.

    How do we think he did with those goals?

    Here's how the Gregg era ended:

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    Worth noting that the final two games of the Gregg era were not coached by Gregg himself but by a Gregg assistant Mikey Varas, two games where they US was outdrawn by 80% of the NWSL games that same weekend ("how we are looked upon even in America"). But then it's even more important to note that the US only beat Jamaica thanks to a last second fluke own goal. One that wouldn't have happened if not for the game being extended by Jamaica subbing on Tayvon Gray at the end, his greatest contribution to US Soccer. And then in the Copa America instead of "beating the elite of international soccer" and "going to rounds that we've never been before" the US failed to get out of the group stage at a home tournament for the first time in history. Before ending the Gregg era by losing to Canada for the first time at home since the 1950s. That doesn't include the Olympics where a team led by some of Gregg's coaches lost both their games against non-minnows (3-0 to France and 4-0 to Morocco) by historic margins.

    But in any case without that series of fluky events against Jamaica, the US loses in the semifinal and never plays Mexico, and we would be looking at the Gregg era ending with 1 win in the last 10 games, against Bolivia!

    Should everyone who defended this nonsense be shipped off to Gitmo? That's for history to decide.
     
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  14. Excellency

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    "
    "We set out on a mission four years ago to change the way the world views American soccer. And now our motto is to change soccer in America forever."

    The way I heard your favorite player McKennie put it when he sought to echo Gregg: "we changed the way the world sees American soccer (in Qatar), now we want to change the way the world views American soccer forever." I don't know if I got that completely right but it seemed to me that everybody who had a job starting for the USMNT under Berhalter supported his re-hire and our lame brained soccer media decided that was a good reason to re-hire Gregg for a second 4 years of big nothing.
     
  15. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

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    P.S. PayPal Park is a pleasant place to watch some soccer players play, even if the play is a bit... soul crushing.
     
  16. sXeWesley

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    So Gregg is waiting his customary eight months to actually start his next job?

    I can’t believe people justify how completely ********ed up it was coming off of Couva to choose an average MLS coach who had never even won an MLS cup, who was then going to make us ********ing wait for months. Completely insane.
     
  17. xbhaskarx

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    Fact check: true

    Everything about the Gregg era was pretty insane right from the start, except that we won three Nations Leagues because Mexico is in the worst state they have ever been in
     
  18. An Unpaved Road

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    He’ll likely be coaching in MLS at the start of next season, nothing odd about that timing.
     
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  19. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    Indeed Patrick Vieira is doing basically the same thing in Atlanta.
     
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  20. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    I don't know how much he cares, and the Kickin It youtube/podcast seems more about long form interview, than hot take sort of nonsense. Doesn't mean his takes aren't idiotic (I haven't listened to it yet, but the take on '14 I've heard linked is absurd).
     
  21. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    I definitely find Tab's take on '14 crazy. We know that the '14 team had a good result (Ghana), a great performance (Portugal comeback), and two duds that showed a lot of grit (Germany and Belgium defeats), but the '02 story has a lot more nuance then the guys remember, chiefly:

    1.) Donovan's pick 6 moment, where he scored a perfectly legit tying goal, only to have it disallowed, and have the team arguing w/the ref while Poland mounted and scored on the ensuing counter attack.

    2.) Portugal was only even in the game due to South Korea's horrific finishing. They failed to score on numerous attacks while up a man post red card and actually scored their goal on one of the most difficult shots of the game (portugal would later nearly equalize on a similarly difficult chance.) It's important to note that South Korea was superb in the tournament and Portugal for the third time in four tournaments (Euro '00, WC '02 and the Battle of Nuremberg in WC '06) would have a melt down and mentally basically lose their collective minds. It would have been a travesty if they had won and advanced over us, or tied and advanced over us. Yes they were obviously better, but not on the day and not in the group stage. South Korea knocking them out reflected how South Korea AND Portugal played that tournament. It was a gift, it was karmic justice if anything.

    3.) It's important to note the situation for matchday 3 as well, Arena has admitted in interview that the team simply had game planned for different players on matchday 3 and the coach of Poland had melted down, benched his starters, and they had little prep they could do in the final hour to get the players ready to face a team not at all like the one they were expecting to face, an important detail that's forgotten.

    For me it's simple, the US played 4 good to fantastic games at WC '02, far more than they've ever played at any other WC, it's easily the best team performance, and thus best performing team. Nobody compares. The '94's stepped on rakes against Romania and Brazil, the '10s were uneven at best in the group stage in all matches, and tired against Ghana, the '14's were not very good in all but one game of the tournament, and the '22's played quality soccer for halves of '22 against Wales, and Iran, and only 1 full game quality performance (england). The '02's are clearly the best side, period. The Poland talk is and has always been bull----. I concede if the South Koreans hadn't tried and Portugal weren't idiots, they could have been out, but South Korea fought hard in all games in front of their home fans, and not surprising that they did, and Portugal were melting down as per usual in that tournament (melt down in the Euro semifinals in '00, choke against us and red card against South Korea in '02, and Battle of Nuremberg in '06 against the Dutch. It was a hot headed, impulsive, incredibly stupid team that deservedly fumbled away a golden generation.).
     
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  22. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Why do you think people did not forgive that coach then coming in, and ----ing the bed against the likes of a crap Jamaica, a ---- Venezuela, freaking Curacao, and Mexico twice, and our first loss to Canada in 35ish years. That he had the ----'s to do that, that the fed had the cojones to do that, then produce that festering turd of a 2019 national team performance, and pretend it shouldn't have put his job at risk? It remains astonishing how much good will he got from a part of the fan base, and how insane it is that the media portrayed fans in contempt of his hiring and performance as tin foil hatted, entitled d bags and what not.

    People forget how truly insane it was, and then to turn around AND REHIRE HIM. Just Insanity. Absolute insanity. The empty stands are a tribute from the fans to the fed of their contempt for their handling of the team since 2017, and the absurdist prices they try to extort from the long suffering fan base.

    I'm over it, kinda, but your post is a good reminder of how insane it truly was.
     
  23. xbhaskarx

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    Feb 13, 2010
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    To change the way the world views American soccer.
    To change soccer in America forever.

    Final UPDATE: #3 in Concacaf
     
  24. xbhaskarx

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    Feb 13, 2010
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    If Gregg Berhalter takes the Chicago Fire job he can pretty much reassemble his entire coaching staff given the rate at which they're being fired....




    3/6 MLS coaches who have been fired this year are Gregg's boys:


    Some former members of Berhalter's technical staff at USMNT :
    - Nico Estevez: fired from Dallas (11th place in the west)
    - Luchi González: fired from SJ (29th out of 29 teams)
    - Anthony Hudson: fired in Qatar (lasted 3 games)
    - BJ Callaghan: signs with Nashville (currently in 13th place in the east)
    - Mikey Varas: signs with San Diego (already crapped the bed with USMNT)
    - Josh Wolff: fired from Austin (10th place in the west)​


    BJ Callaghan down 3-0 right now...
     
  25. gomichigan24

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