Coaching Philosophies and the Gregg Berhalter System

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  1. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not worried about Gregg as much as Mansueto.He won't be hands off at all.
     
  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    C-bus are currently 22nd on the team payroll ranking, so Gregg won't have a chance to be a Nancy, a genius coach working with modest budget.
     
  3. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More interesting would be what if Berhalter out performs Cherundolo. Not say he will but dynamic to consider given Cherundolo seems to be widely seen as the top domestic based American candidate for the next time the job is open.
     
  4. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Schmetzer, Nancy, Cherundolo, Vanney, and Curtin would all be solid MLS-based candidates. Wonder whether Gregg will switch back to the 4231 he'd showed competence with at C'bus. He would then need to sort out his amid.
     
  5. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    everyone excuses away the player’s performance as a meaningless game, yet can’t grasp that this was just as meaningless for Varas. He was playing with house money, a great time to ******** around when there was nothing to lose. They are called friendlies for a reason. His roster and lineups were reasonable, he didn’t try anything crazy, and he challenged the players to play through Canada’s press. WOW.
    Varas has a resume of coaching games that actually mattered. At least judge him by those.
    BTW this response doesn’t make and claim or judge about how good a coach Varas is.
     
  6. BMWDeuce

    BMWDeuce Member

    AC Milan
    United States
    Aug 15, 2024
    I would say the other thing to keep in mind is flat out, the Crew have the best front office in MLS. Bezbatchenko built an MLS Cup winning team in Toronto, went to Columbus and built 2 more. Now Nancy doesn't hurt either as literally anything that man touches turns to Gold, but Crew under Precourt and the Crew under the Haslems are completely different animals.

    As for Gregg with the Fire? I think he'll do... fine-ish? I think he'll at least make them a functional team with a vision. Whether that works or not who knows. The big issue Chicago has had is Heitz didn't really sign people with a plan and legit only had 1 DP hit (Hugo Cuypers this year)
     
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  7. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Bez and Lagerwey are the best. Thorington is also up there. It's especially impressive that he has been able to get those guys under the cap?
     
  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Crew do have a great front office but that’s also why Nancy’s time in Montreal is also relevant as they do not have the same great front office.
     
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  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All I’m saying the new line for coaches in MLS is the Berhalter line. If you can’t perform better than Berhalter in MLS it’s hard to make the case that you should be coaching the national team.
     
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  10. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Could be but also could be he was told by Crocker or even by spokesmen for Poch to do a mostly similar type of roster. Knowing he was leaving right away for SD he would have no reason to rock the boat. I really can't imagine at least some instruction of intent came from US Soccer for him. We will all see how he does at SD but unless they put together a ton of talent in year one he will likely be a sacrificial lamb coach like most other first year expansion coaches.
     
  11. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    nothings more enjoyable than being a coach and have higher ups handing down roster picks/Tactics/formations.... for you to employ.
     
  12. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Given Berhalter's record in MLS that is quite a low bar.
     
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  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Would be good to see him at Chicago. I like when coaches jump right back into it and bringing that club out of the doldrums would be a nice accomplishment.
     
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  14. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chicago and Gregg should drag out the negotiations as long as possible, to drum up more interest like Crocker and Poch did.
     
  15. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    No, he does not. Apart from these two games, Varas has only ever been a head coach in youth soccer. These two games were a massive step up for him, and he showed that he wasn't up to the task. That's why Marsch gloated after the game about how easy it was.

    In his own post-game, Varas threw his players under the bus, failing to take any responsibility ... truly amateur hour.
     
  16. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    I can understand an argument that youth games don’t count for anything. But it’s hard to turn around and then claim that friendlies do matter.
    I, personally, don’t have an issue with a coach calling out players post match. It’s not like we all don’t have eyes and saw the same things he stated.
     
  17. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Because of these two performances, Varas arrives in San Diego having already been ripped to shreds by Mark Zeigler.

    What Varas said:
    • Pre-Canada: "Our focus is on bringing a winning mentality"
    • Post-Canada: "The mentality is on the players."
    • Pre-New Zealand: "I really believe in how all the things in life are interconnected, you know. So even separating the mentality from the style of play is kind of difficult."
    These are his actual public statements.
     
  18. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    And?
     
  19. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some people just like to be mad for the sake of it. Berhalter is gone as is Varas and they aren’t super relevant to the USMNT anymore. Other than I hope San Diego in particular develops a lot of players for the national team.
     
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  20. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Some people seem to think it's their job to defend the USSF from any and all criticism.
     
  21. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    You previously framed Varas' public statements as a simple reflection of what everyone saw. That's untrue.

    In the span of a few days, Varas went from mentality being his focus to something he had no control over to something he doesn't even believe in because "everything is interconnected, you know."

    It's inconsistent and flaky. That's why Zeigler and others have treated him like a laughingstock.
     
  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So are you mad they didn’t hire an interim coach up to your standards while they were off hiring Pochettino and having multiple conversations with coaches like Klopp?

    If there’s a plausible candidate you would have preferred as interim coach please feel free to say who that is.
     
  23. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    I'm not mad about anything. You're just hyper-defensive and trying to pick a fight.
     
  24. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    let’s try again, but I don’t really want to spend much time on this. I don’t think this is really important nor interesting for the readers on this thread.

    to me, Varas is talking about players feeling confident and how that effects the style of soccer played. All of these states are inline with that “framing”.
     
  25. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BB and Stabaek just parted company. Bradley did win a MLS Cup in Chicago IIRC.
     

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