Coaching candidate? or couch candidate?

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  1. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    All US coaches face that same issue. CONCACAF is two countries and really, just us. He at least hit an almost 60% win rate doing it.
     
  2. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Meh, a manager's quality isn't determined by how well he "punches down." Especially when you're the chicago fire.

    Its how well he "punches up" that matters.

    And Berhalter hasn't done all that well with the USMNT. I hope it works out for you guys, but I have my reasons to doubt him.
     
  3. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I’m with you. I’m not sure but we did OK at the WC. Drawing England isn’t easy and I’m not sure the red card against Wales is his responsibility. But comparing him to Yallop is a bit of a stretch.
     
  4. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
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    Berhalter is fine for the Fire...why? Because NO GREAT COACH is GOING TO SIGN TO BE COACH WITH THE FIRE!! Not a known great coach anyway. Best the Fire can do is Berhalter or an unknown that we get pure lucky with. I do not see the Fire as having...luck. And Yallop sucked with the Fire. I am not even sure he was awake at the games (regardless of any success in the past).
     
  5. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    having one of the wealthiest owners in the league, seems like coaching is where you flex that cash
     
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  6. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
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    Yes...true...if the money flexed that way I am all in for a great coach. However, I am not sure that amount of money brings that kind of coach to the Fire anyway.
     
  7. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    It’s easy to say “this choice sucks”. It’s harder to say who would realistically be better.
     
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  8. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
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    Nonsense.
    First, that is an unfair question.

    Second, just because we don't like the option, does not put the onus on us to select a superior option.

    Third, Since you asked, there are dozens of coaches available.
    Many would be better that Gregg Berhalter.

    Probably some who would be worse.

    https://www.transfermarkt.com/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik
     
  9. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Sharing that list is absurd. I don’t think Xavi is coming here. We might be able to get Frank Lampard but he sucks. I did, however, see Berhalter on that list…

    Do we really want Joachim Löw? A ball sniffing coach might complement our ball sucking mods now that I think about it.
     
  10. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    I would imagine there is a price where Nancy defects from Columbus
     
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  11. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I’m not sure what limitations there are on poaching coaches under contract but MLS probably restricts this during the season.
     
  12. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
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    Of course it was absurd.

    However, it was not as absurd as essentially claiming we have no other choice, that is "who would realistically be better?"

    Also, we have a coach. The team did their exhaustive search last year at this time and determined that Frank Klopas was the right and only person to lead this team!
    How can we argue with that?!?
     
  13. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Besides, why would he leave one of the best teams in MLS for us?
     
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  14. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    It takes a Rodrigo Faria -level striker as a make weight.

    It worked for Bob Bradley.
    Didn't work out for us, though
     
  15. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I’m sorry, but who would realistically be better is a valid question. Who is available, would come to MLS and Chicago, and would be better? We went the route of rookie coach and struggled. I’m not sure we want to try that again.

    I’d vote for Curtin but I don’t think he’s leaving Philly. Gary Smith was fired from Nashville. Is he any good? As the league continues to grow, the player AND managerial pool continues to thin out. We don’t have a great pipeline of managers in lower divisions. Maybe there’s a diamond in the rough down there somewhere but who would it be?

    This question isn’t absurd at all.
     
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  16. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    That was back when the DP “didn’t exist” and players got “endorsement deals” from the league to come here. I’m guessing the finances have been locked down a bit since then. It was a little more Wild West in those days.
     
  17. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    no doubt you can't approach a coach during the season

    but for a crack at Nancy I'd wait it out
     
  18. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Gotcha. Then of course we move into late rebuilding season which we all complain about. That said, end of season is when most coaches do become available. Going for Gregg now is probably to prevent open season on him and all coaches. You have to want him badly enough now to lock him down.
     
  19. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    #119 xtomx, Sep 15, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2024
    I know.
    It was a joke at the time,
    and my comment was meant to be a joke.
     
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  20. danimal60914

    danimal60914 Member+

    May 15, 2013
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    What’s everyone’s thoughts on Sega? Defensive minded, works well with younger players. I don’t know that I’d wish this current team on him, though.
     
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  21. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I love Sega. I have no idea how good of a coach he is and that’s no slight on him. I literally have no idea how successful he’s been.
     
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  22. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
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    I had a Genesis I bought in the 90's, and just enjoyed the hell out of it for years. Then it sat in the basement for two decades.
    I gave it away when I moved.

    Oh, Gonzalo Segares? He's great and should be an assistant with the Fire.
    He probably makes more as US U-17 coach.
     
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  23. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
    Club:
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    My understanding is Sega has been pretty successful with the youths. I loved him as a player and frankly...I would love him as an assistant (and if we go blind...head coach as well! lol).
     
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  24. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    1836164137547645373 is not a valid tweet id
     
  25. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
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    #125 xtomx, Sep 17, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2024
    Yuck.
    Give Gregg the keys to the car!?!
    How about "No"?

    Well could be worse, I suppose.
    We could sign Klinsmann! And hand him the keys to the car.
     

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