Clubs and their affiliations

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Excape Goat, Nov 17, 2006.

  1. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I am not from a traditional soccer country so I am always interested in thhe different affiliations of soccer clubs around the world. I cannot really understand why some fans chose to support one club, but not their cross town rival. I can come up with the following.

    Spain (Perhaps where club affliation meant the most)
    Real Madrid: the royalist.
    Barcelona: Catanian pride
    Espanyol: Loyality to the Spanish crowd as opposed to Catanian separatists
    Athletic Bilbao: Basque nationalist
    Real Sociedad: Basque version of Espanyol????

    England
    Chelsea: Posh London????

    Greece
    AEK: I believed they are extremely left.

    Scotland
    Rnagers: Protestants
    Celtics: Catholics

    Holand
    Ajax: Jews.

    Italy
    Lazio: Political right
    Livorno: Political left.
    Napoli: Napoli represented the South, but all clubs have regional afflliations. I should not really count this one or I have to list every clubs in Europe.
    Inter Milan: The founder considered it an international club and the current roster consisted of many Argentinian players. Does it still mean Inter Milan is a club for international players vs AC Milan?

    Argentina
    Boca Juniors: The poor.
    River Plate: The Upper class.
     
  2. saosebastiao

    saosebastiao New Member

    May 22, 2005
    In Portugal:

    Benfica: The common people, working class
    Sporting: The educated and upper class
    Porto: The vulgar people, northerners:)
    Boavista: Elitists and foreigners


    Then there are the regionalist clubs with lots of support but only from their region: Braga, Guimaraes, Beira-Mar...etc.
     
  3. albionroad

    albionroad Member

    Aug 26, 2002
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I run a website that focuses on a lot of these issues. Take a look - http://www.albionroad.com

    Real Madrid's support isn't really royalist. The Spanish monarchy exists as a figurehead and tabloid entertainment these days a la the British. Their support is more Center-Right/Castilian/Republican (ie unitary Spain) as opposed to one of the regions.
    Espanyol was founded as a club for Spaniards, as opposed to Barcelona who were (in their early days) made up almost exclusively of foreigners. I'm not sure their fan base is really any less Catalan but obviously they're not the flagship that Barca are.
    No, they are also proudly Basque.
    Sort of. I think that some of the founders/influential players were Jewish. Rival fans began to sing anti-Semitic songs at matches and the Ajax supporters adopted being "Jewish" as a badge of pride although there aren't really any more Jewish Ajax fans than Jewish fans of other Dutch clubs.
    Inter was formed by breakaway members of Milan which, at the time, was restricted to Italian players. In political terms, Inter's fan base is more right-wing while Milan's is more left-wing. Other Italians...

    Juventus - Right
    Roma - Right (used to be Left)
    Fiorentina - Left
     
  4. sidis

    sidis Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Itaguaí-RJ - Brazil
    In Brazil:

    Palmeiras, Cruzeiro: Italian immigrants, the original name of them is "Palestra Italia" an be changed in second war.
    São Paulo: Rich people.
    Grêmio: Germany immigrants/heritage.
    Flamengo, Fluminense and Botafogo: RIch people (but after 30's flamengo start to be an very popular team, and now is the team of the poors).
    Vasco: Portuguese descendants, after that suburban people and black people.
    Corinthians: poor people, im some times they creat the "corinthians democracy".
     
  5. Cassano

    Cassano Member

    Jul 16, 2004
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    As Albion stated Milan was formed for Italians and then foreigners broke up to form Inter (funny how Inter is still an almost all foreigner team..)

    Roma- The working class city people that live in Rome are Roma fans
    Lazio- Mostly fans are from cities outside of Rome.
     
  6. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Holland:

    PSV: formerly the football branch of the employers association of Philips, the electronics company. Reputedly the 'warmest, most social' club in Holland, very good relationship with former players and other staff.

    Feyenoord: working class grafters (as opposed to Ajax allegedly playing the pretty football), the hard men of Dutch football.

    Heerenveen: flagship of the Frisian nationalist party (they even play their national anthem before kick-off at home games, believe it or not)

    AZ: plaything of the rich (every twenty years or so some millionaire comes around and breathes new life into the club)

    De Graafschap: the Super Farmers, provincial club with massive local support in the agricultural community particularly in the eastern Netherlands

    Sparta: the Gentleman's Club, traditionally a club where only well-behaved footballers play (compare to that other club in Rotterdam, Feyenoord). They still have official club etiquette dictating players hairdo's among others I believe. Big cult celeb following.
     
  7. wufc

    wufc Member

    May 1, 2005
    UC Irvine
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    St. Pauli (Germany): Ultra left wing, punk, anti-fascist/anti-racist/anti-sexist, anti-commercialism, etc.
     
  8. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    I thought they represented the Red Light district. :)
     
  9. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    English affiliations:

    Blackburn: scum
    Man United: scum
    Tranmere: scum
    Spurs: scum
    West Ham: scum
    Bury: worse than scum
     
  10. HSEUPASSION

    HSEUPASSION New Member

    Apr 16, 2005
    Duck, NC
    Doesn't Hansa Rostock have alot of neo-Nazi fans?

    The club itself isn't neo-Nazi, but they have neo-Nazi fans.
     
  11. Catel

    Catel Member

    Dec 18, 2006
    Lyon, France
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Marseille, Saint-Etienne, Lens: popular clubs (specifically "working-class" for the 2 last)

    Lyon, Lille: clubs "bourgeois"
     
  12. JackBastard

    JackBastard Member

    Jan 21, 2007
    Bridgend
    Club:
    Swansea City AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    Wales
    Chelsea are NOT posh London. They were very much a working class team.
     
  13. PsychedelicCeltic

    PsychedelicCeltic New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    San Francisco/London
    Eh, bit of both. The terraces were tough guys from South and West London, but the seats always had their fair share of toffs - they are a West London club after all!

    Ironically, I believe this is changing a little due to Milan's chairman being the bete noire of the Italian left, and Morratti's affiliations with the Olive coalition. Is this correct?
     
  14. brassmonkey

    brassmonkey Member

    Oct 10, 2003
    Moratti isn't very popular with the Inter faithful(unlike his father), so he hasn't made any difference in that way. Milan and Lombardy in general are more right wing than other parts of northern Italy(almost 60% to Berlusconi in the last elections I believe; all of Milan's districts went to his coalition in 2001), and Inter's fanbase is made up mostly of people who are middle and upper class Lombards, rather than immigrants from the southern parts of Italy.
     
  15. brassmonkey

    brassmonkey Member

    Oct 10, 2003
    And those lower-class immigrants from southern Italy make up the largest part of AC Milan's support base, to clarify.
     
  16. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    The Kings of Kings Road? Come now.
     
  17. elprincipe

    elprincipe Member

    Mar 2, 2007
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *fixed*
     
  18. PimFortuynsGhost

    May 15, 2006
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Slavia Prague: supported by Czech intellectuals, persecuted by the Soviets and became the club of the anti-Communist movement
    Sparta Prague: originally the working class team in Prague
     
  19. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    I'm curious to know the difference between the "big 3" in Istanbul and why someone chooses to support one over the others.

    Galatasary, Besiktas, and Fenerbahce....
     
  20. oguzmania

    oguzmania Member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Turkey-Konya
    Firstly i am sorry for my bad English...

    Fenerbahce is in Anatolian side but Galatasaray and Besiktas is in European side of the Istanbul.

    Especially in this time there are no differences between this team's supporters.For example my friend's team is Fenerbahce,his brother's team is Galatasaray and his father's team is Besiktas.

    Besiktas founded in 1903,Galatasaray in 1905 and Fenerbahce in 1907.
    In 1900-1970 there are some differences between this team's supporters.

    For example some of Galatasaray High School's students (is very histocial and important school in Turkey) builted Galatasaray because of this Galatasaray presented educated people.
    In these times most of Galatasaray's present and admins must be graduated from Galatasaray High school.

    In those years Istanbul was holded down by especially England and some of countries and there are some important matchs between Fenerbahce and this countries teams.Fenerbahce presented Ottoman and our people looked this matchs like a war.And Fenerbahce won a lot of cup.This scores raised our people's boycott because of this some of enemy commenders made a lot of pressure to Fenerbahce players and a lots of them died in Canakkale war.
    Because of this Fenerbahce presented people in those times...Fenerbahce called people's teams...But some of the people called Fenerbahce as bourgeois's team.

    Besiktas is 3. biggest team in Turkey it's history likes Fenerbahce,Besiktas presented Turkish national team so it have Turkish flag in it's emblem.
    In 1950-80's Besiktas called civil servant's teams.

    I said in starting in this time there are no differences between this team's supporters.

    Because of this the foreign football supporters don't understand Fenerbahce and Galatasaray derbies importance.For example Boca-River,Barca-Madrid like etnic,Celtic-Rangers like religious but this 2 teams don't have important differeces..
     
  21. JumpinJackFlash

    JumpinJackFlash New Member

    Mar 15, 2007
    Soviet Britannia
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Kazakhstan
    *bump*

    Chelsea-Rangers-Lazio-Madrid.

    International right wing conspiracy of capital city clubs. :cool:
     

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