Club World Cup Refereeing [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Apr 8, 2025.

  1. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    I feel very bad for these guys. I have relatives for whom English is actually their third language and don't speak this poorly.

    They would be better off speaking into Google Translate and letting that be the announcement for the fans. Most fans would be ok with that. What's the purpose if we can't understand what these guys are saying? The app has become better over time and would avoid these cringeworthy announcements.


    Even the Virgin Mary can't save him.

    On just that 10 minute YouTube video, a good certified Referee Coach could put together a 2 hour presentation.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think his assertiveness in handling the situation was good (though, like you said, without knowing the details you might be able to ask why he didn't go earlier or why he went, left, and came back).

    But if you focus on his actual physical interaction with Ma, it is pretty bad. I would not want to be touched that way by a teammate.
     
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  3. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    It's not on the highlight package on YouTube (not surprising). Is there a video out there showing this?
     
  4. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @Mikael_Referee in post #118 has a clip that includes this interaction
     
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  5. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    After all of the VAR explanations, Turpin shows up with pretty good mechanics in the 30th minute.
     
  6. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Turpin with the corner-kick from the keeper holding onto the ball too long.
     
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  7. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Turpin with our first 8 second violation in the 83rd minute
     
  8. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Would love to see the link posted whenever it is available :)
     
  9. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    That's the first ever in all competitions? Right?
     
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  10. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia



    Does the ball go into a museum now or does he get to keep it?
     
  11. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think so - I couldn't find any other completion that has started using the new laws.
     
  12. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Too bad we didn't get to see Turpin's mechanics on the full count!
     
  13. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    off topic a little bit but there have been some really good matches in this tournament.
     
  14. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
    In the stadium for CFM-INT, row 7 opposite the benches. Great view, very impressed by Sampaio, who I haven’t been a fan of before. Only uncertain incident happened in stoppage time in the CFM PA, but it looked like Barella(I think it was) took a dive, so good play on IMO. Very attentive to potential conflicts, which is good to see and the 1 caution was completely correct. INT has had more of the play but it’s 1-1 at half and the crowd is heavily pro-CFM, as you’d expect.
     
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  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So… 12 seconds, right? Maybe 11?
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually it’s at least 12. We don’t see when he first gathers the ball so could be more.
     
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  17. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    Who else has a case for mistaken identity on the SPA caution at the end of INT-MON?
     
  18. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
    No idea, it’s quite hard to tell who is being cautioned when watching in person. FWIW I’d give Sampaio a mark of 8.4 or even 8.5 based on what I saw live.
     
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  19. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    OH, nevermind. I thought Darmian was on a caution.

    It looked to me (from broadcast) that Darmian committed the foul and should have been cautioned for SPA. Sampaio took a second to decide and booked the second Inter player into the coming together (Barella) - who I did not consider to have committed the foul - and I thought it was a moment where Sampaio realized after committing to a caution that the player was on a caution and didn't want a 2CT. The commentators were a bit confusing and from their tone I thought Darmian had been booked.

    A nothingburger.
     
  20. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    Barella for the shirt pull.
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #146 MassachusettsRef, Jun 18, 2025
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2025
    Bayern : Boca Juniors - FAGHANI (IRN)
    LAFC : Esperance - ESKAS (NOR)
    Flamengo : Chelsea - BARTON (SLV)
    Benfica : Auckland City - FALAHI (QAT)

    With confederational neutrality, these almost wrote themselves when you saw who hadn't worked yet. I think Barton and Faghani were probably swappable to some extent.

    Next set is where it gets interesting.

    Beida needs a game and the fact that he didn't appear today means he won't be trusted on a big one, it seems (as he could be where Faghani was). Maybe Inter v. Red Dragons?

    Benitez needs a game so he's likely Sundowns v Dortmund unless they make him wait longer.

    Then you have Oliver, Marciniak, Vincic and Letexier all waiting from UEFA. One of them gets River Plate v Monterrey (I'll guess Oliver, but could be anyone) and one of them gets Fluminese v Ulsan (Vincic/Letexier toss-up to me).

    Then you're onto Group G and H, which are all UEFA v non UEFA... so, in theory, that means two UEFA referees are waiting until MD3 to get their first match unless neutrality is broken on something like, say, Real Madrid v Pachuca (which seems unlkely, as a CONMEBOL referee easily fits there and they will undoubtely want to test Tello or Abatti, I'd think).

    I can see Marciniak debuting on Inter Miami v Palmerias. But that still leaves one referee waiting a very long time for his first match and that match is Boca Juniors v Auckland City. Would Vincic/Letexier go there or would they wait even longer to June 24 and LAFC-Flamengo?
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, a second quartet got published so we have some answers:

    Inter Milan : Urawa Red Dragons - BEIDA (MTN)
    Mamelodi Sundowns : Borussia Dortmund - BENITEZ (PAR)
    River Plate : Monterrey - VINCIC (SVN)
    Fluminese : Ulsan Hyundai - OLIVER (ENG)

    So the two non-Europeans as expected to round out first assignments and then it is Oliver and Vincic, but reversed from what I would have had. For what it's worth, I don't think Vincic is a good pick there, but let's wait and see.

    Marciniak and Letexier are the two referees waiting.
     
  23. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
    Yeah, River-Monterrey is looking like it’ll be a fiery one. Is such non-sheltering maybe a sign that Collina doesn’t plan to use him in the later stages?
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think so. People seem to think Vincic is good. He's a UCL Final referee. That match was going to go to a top European and I think it's the kind of thing everyone wants.

    To the extent there seems to be a plan for UEFA referees, I think it's that:

    1) Marciniak and Letexier have been earmarked for one match and then a guaranteed KO (maybe Letexier does get Auckland duty, but also a guaranteed QF?).

    2) Turpin will get one of the big MD3 matches as compensation, of sorts, for his very low-profile first game. Probably River Plate v Inter.

    In my mind, everything else is negotiable and a reaction to events as they unfold after the first set of appointments. And, of course, I could also be wrong about both points above.
     
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  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think a pretty poor decision to give an SFP red by Abatti at 88'. Surprised it wasn't overturned. Though it is an interesting situation to look at for sure.
     

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