Club World Cup Refereeing [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Apr 8, 2025.

  1. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    For what?

    For blatant foul for the Atleti goal and a very obvious PK?
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you arguing he had a good match?

    Both of which he completely missed live.

    Sorry, I am confused as to whether you are arguing in favor or against his performance.
     
  3. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    I have no clue what obvious bad decissions he made

    If he missed those 2 live good for VAR then.
     
  4. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
    Watching the ref in the stadium is very different from on TV.
    I don’t remember which of the 2 mandatory 1H SPA YCs this was, but the one on the PSG left seemed too wide to be DOGSO (never even entered my mind at the time TBH), probably the same for the other one as well.

    I wasn’t surprised by the OFR for the foul, seemed like he should’ve had it live.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No foul was called on this play. 23'. Atletico Madrid attacking.

    Now, maybe it wasn't a foul. But if it was foul it was 110% DOGSO. It's worth looking at again.
     
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  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's been pointed out to me that a European likely has to referee Boca Juniors v Auckland City. That might be worse punishment than going home with just one game.
     
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  7. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
    I think I remember this. ATM22 was charged (fairly?) or pushed IIRC. Yeah, definitely DOGSO if it’s a foul by the defender.
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right. There really wasn’t a charge, which is why it might not be a foul. But there’s a hand out and up. And then a second motion/action once the attacker starts going down.

    Embellished? Almost certainly. But he did give away his own OGSO in an attempt to sell it, so unless he really wasn’t confident in his own abilities there and just completed simulated, you’ve got to ask the question of how/why he ends up on the floor.
     
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  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would also say the attacker brought his arm up in a way that pretty much made it much more likely he would get pushed. Which is smart. He created more surface area for the foul to occur. Maybe that’s what Kovacs saw and reasoned he created it more than the defender did. It’s an interesting argument if so. But back to square one, whatever it was Kovacs didn’t sell it well.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I mean it doesn't really matter as I think the instruction is that isn't a red card anymore as the contact isn't forcible or some other technocratic phrase/language to justify why that isn't a red card.
     
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  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know what you're saying, but I think the only reason(s) that isn't a red card is because the opponent didn't go down to draw attention to it and because it's Messi.

    You can't wave a magic wand and make that not Messi. But if the opponent goes down there, I think there's enough force and clear aggression that it has to be red. You just can't allow that in the first match of the tournament.

    Now, having not caught this on the broadcast (at least I personally didn't) and only now seeing it as a clip on social media, I think questions can be asked about whether or not VAR even had access to this. Does anyone remember when this happened or if there was a check at all?
     
  13. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    100% if the player goes down I think it forces an OFR there.

    However, I still think certain referees would somehow come up with a yellow after review there.

    But since the player doesn't go down the answer becomes easy for the VAR and referee which is a sad state of affairs.

    I just don't think FIFA want a red card there regardless if it's Messi or not.
     
  14. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    86’ SEP-POR very late flag for what seems to be a goal kick?

    on replay the AR was more than 5 yards behind play and didn’t signal for several seconds

    players confused with the whistle - kept trying to restart as offside but Martinez insists it’s a GK

    There’s no way he got help from the VOR, right?
     
  15. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
    #90 Thegreatwar, Jun 15, 2025
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2025
    Nyberg opting for leniency so far. Verbal warning for what seemed a clear YC for me (maybe even mandatory) and 1 or 2 eyebrow-raising play ons. Edit: and now another word with a BOT player for a near-reckless challenge.
    28’ mandatory YC to SEA5 given, stupid overreaction by the player. Looks like Nyberg tried to do some prevention from a distance, unsuccessfully. Then BOT scores from the set piece. Looks like being a difficult game.
    32’ good job to let SEA5 know he’s seen the foul while giving advantage.
    42’ good warning about DtR, dissent, or PI (not sure which TBH but seemed clear enough for the player).
     
  16. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
    In the end, a good performance from Nyberg. Occasional lapses in foul detection and a couple missed cautions, but lots of very good calls and management. He also did the countdown signal on goal kicks (bluff or actually supported by rule?)
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Palmeiras : Al Ahly - TAYLOR (ENG)
    Inter Miami : Porto - GARAY (CHI)
    Seatte Sounders : Atletico Madrid - FALCON (ARG)
    PSG : Botofago - FISCHER (CAN)

    So neutrality remains. I suppose Garay is the most high-profile neutral referee at the tournament who has not yet worked. That could be an interesting one.

    The others seems about what you could expect, given what the pool is and who the teams are. Fischer gets a good test; I think, in theory, all the UEFA-CONMEBOL ones are decent matches but this one could stand out.
     
  18. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    Could go to a CAF referee
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure. Could go to almost anyone. But I don't think CAF will be given Auckland twice.

    With the number of games and the number of European referees and teams, it starts to become a real challenge to balance things if you don't use Europeans where you can use them. I also think, politically, the confederations will want what appears to be the pain of having Auckland spread around a little. Forcing one UEFA referee to bite that bullet is an easy way of avoiding some internal political strife.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    58' caution against LAFC by Valenzuela for an off-the-ball incident reported by AR or 4th. It involved a hand up near a face. Now, Cuccurella helped instigate it so maybe that's a mitigating factor. But I find it a little suspicious no replay with any sort of zoom focus was shown given a VAR check was obviously happening.
     
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  21. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I thought the same thing. Pretty quick check complete.
     
  22. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Maybe I'm jaded/cynical, and maybe the tournament will pick up steam once it gets to the knock-out phases, but it just looks and feels like a glorified US preseason competition at least when the European teams are involved.

    No different than the International Champions Cup.

    The Inter Miami vs. Al Ahly match felt different, but the ones involving the European teams have just felt like pre-season matches.

    Also, I don't know what FIFA is going to do about the kick-off times for the World Cup next year. For the sake of the quality of the competition they can't be putting on matches in mid day like they did in '94. These players are not used to playing games in 90+ US summers.

    There was a reason why the '94 World Cup Final was one of the dullest matches ever. The heat played a role in it. Every match that Italy and Brazil had played in that tournament was in the middle of the day.

    It was a problem in '94 and it's going to be a problem now 32 years later with global warming.
     
  23. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
    Lots of questionable play ons by Ramos, then at 9’ he calls one that he actually could’ve played on from :rolleyes:
    EDIT: 11’ BOC players are now testing to see how much they can get away with I think
    Now at 14’ he seems to realize he’s gonna have to give FKs ( why would anyone expect otherwise?!)
     
  24. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
    #99 Thegreatwar, Jun 16, 2025
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2025
    Boca goes up 2-0. Benfica seems to lack intensity atm.
    EDIT: Spoke too soon. 31’ very tight and correct offside flag by AR1 to disallow a 1-on-1 w/ the Boca GK.
    34’ Ramos seems to have the handle on things and has been able to maintain his lenient disciplinary line so far.
    38’ first conflict btw players, Ramos just whistles several times, separates the players, and penalizes the initial foul. No cards. Players content to resume play quickly after getting their handbags in, probably a good sign for Ramos’ acceptance level.
     
  25. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Ahhh there it is. The Ramos Way.
     

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