http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/2/23/151110 talk about a conservative's gift from heaven. jesus christ. what in the hell was she thinking? i bet ann coulter had an orgasm when she heard this.
I can see her saying that. But really, how much credibility does that web site have? I have never heard of newsmax.com. Not saying that it isn't legit, just a sceptic.
Newsmax.com is a pet project of Christopher Ruddy, aka the last man in America who thinks Vince Foster was murdered. He's bankrolled by Richard Mellon Scaife, the guy who brought us, among many other sins, David Brock's articles of the 1990's. In other words, if Newsmax.com reports the sun is hot, double-check with NASA.
Re: Re: Clinton "not hip to protest under" Whatever you think about the site loney doesn't matter. it doesn't change what garafalo said. it wasn't "hip" to protest Clinton's wars. In fact, if you're such a champion of peace, how come you didn't protest Bosnia, huh? That's what I thought. Total hipocrisy,period.
I take most internet sites with a grain of salt. But it is pretty hard to dispute a direct quote. It's even tougher to dispute a direct quote in that context. What she said, though, doesn't surprise me.
Re: Re: Re: Clinton "not hip to protest under" I wouldn't believe anything this site puts out. It's completely slanted. They've had other statements that were completely false before.
no she definately said it on fox news sunday. here's the entire text of the conversation http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79351,00.html [sarcasm]unless tony snow is making up the whole thing too....[/sarcasm]
It makes sense, did NOW ever protest any of Bubba's sex antics. Of course not. But then again Bubba was such a good politician he probably found a way to appease them.
Actually, when you look at the phrase "It wasn't very hip to..." in context, it's not at all clear that she was saying it wasn't hip to protest under Clinton. She could very well have been making a comment about the media's lack of coverage of the protests against Clinton policy that she and others were engaged in at that time. In fact, given the information at my disposal now, I'd say that was by far the more reasonable interpretation. Here's the sequence: "GAROFALO: Yes and no. And I also argued the Clinton administration was big on unilateralism, and I think the Clinton administration's Iraq policy was despicable. SNOW: Why didn't you protest it then? GAROFALO: I absolutely did. I did not support Operation Desert Fox, it's just that you didn't know me very well back then. Nobody, really, was interested in listening to me back them. (LAUGHTER) It wasn't very hip to... SNOW: Well, perhaps let me change the question, then. Why wasn't there an organized anti-war movement under Bill Clinton?" Loney's warning about the website is a good one. As usual, I'm sure Coulter's orgasm was self-induced.
if you would please post new stories about large protests towards clinton era politics that would be greatly appreciated. that's one of the better spins i've read in a long time. i'm about to clear 20 and i knew about her during the clinton era. she could have made her voice heard just as she has now. to my knowledge and even in previous comments where she has stated that she is just now getting into politics (i'll see if i can dig that one up) her comment is pretty off regardless, saying something along the lines of "it wasn't hip" is just really smart. jazz hands.
Sorry, don't have any and am facing a deadline so I can't search now. Hey, at least I posted it in context, which is more than you or the newsmax site did. All you have to do is look at it. I don't see any reason to assume that the sentence she was in the middle of when Snow cut her off would have ended "...against the Clinton administration." It looks a lot more likely to have been headed towards "...pay attention to Janeane Garofolo back then" or something like it. Don't know about that, and frankly I don't much care because I don't set my political compass by checking the views of celebs. However, it's interesting that the media guys paying the most attention to her now are the most conservative ones, who seem to be looking for negative ways to characterize opposition to the war. Are you suggesting there's some inherent stupidity in the phrase "it wasn't hip"?
Why? It's not clear to me at all from reading that what she meant. In fact, my interpretation is that before the laughter was one meme, and after she was starting another meme before she was interrupted. It happened plenty of other times in the transcript - the interrupting on a meme-switch, I mean. I'd have to actually see video (or hear audio) to be sure one way or the other.
How people can compare Desert Fox to the current buildup is beyond me. And how quickly people forget that the left was very angry at Clinton over welfare reform, aid to Colombia, NAFTA, the WTO, China human rights acquiscence, lack of AIDS research, Vieques, affirmative action comments, and military action in multiple places. This is just a quick sample of what I found when I Googled "Clinton protest". http://my.execpc.com/~ajrc/nl5a6.html http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/08/clinton.gays/ http://www.zmag.org/protest_clinton.htm http://www.ainfos.ca/A-Infos97/3/0067.html http://archive.greenpeace.org/majordomo/index-press-releases/1997/msg00443.html http://www.aegis.com/news/re/1998/RE980603.html http://www.now.org/press/03-95/affact1.html http://www.mph.org/themennonite/News/051600news.pdf http://www.libr.org/peace/iraq-sudan-8-98.html Now the question that will obviously follow is, "Where are the big rallies?" There were large anti-NAFTA rallies, anti-WTO rallies, and others, but nothing like last Saturday anywhere. Last Saturday set global records for protest, with the largest crowds in the cities of our Western European "allies". Perhaps that should tell us something about global public opinion regardless of who is in the White House.
It shows that people shouldnt take these celebraties views seriously. Most of them are politically motivated. But they are in a position of power and some of them take advantage of the opportunity to voice their opinions. Some people take them seriously and look up to them. I don't.
that was my entire point. she got on the show and said something dumb. it shouldn't have had to break down into contextual discussion as it's still obvious what she said was dumb. obie thanks for the links.
Celebrities protested under Clinton? WTF?? They hailed him as a hero and raised money like hell for Willie. Who is Garofalo kidding? I saw the interview. She certainly knew that her comment was laughable although she said it with a straight face. They might've protested that the Lincoln bedroom was too cold, but that was it. Liberal hypocrisy once again. Rosie O'Donnell was barking anti-war garbage on Donahue last night to a .5 rating.
yeah i turned it on for a minute and subsequnetly turned it off. rosie should have stayed buried in oblivion. no wonder joe millionare gets ratings.
We've had this discussion many times here. Celebs and activists have this perversely symbiotic relationship because the media doesn't cover "issues". Celebs are a hook to get the idea on TV. But most celebrities are not well-spoken about anything other than their hair / publicist / Malibu house, so compared to the people who actually know what they're talking about, they're idiots. And this works both ways -- Nugent, Arnold, Chuck Norris, Anita Bryant, and the bevy of (mostly male) country music stars who support more right-wing agendas are all several steps below Rhodes scholars. In fact, I'd say that the right wing has had the most blatant effort of starfucking in activist history: the NRA's election of Charlton Heston as Chairman.
i definately agree with obie. it could be said that a man who's brain is slowly deteriorating truly represents an organization as such. think about it......there you go....got it? in case you didn't catch it i just called the NRA a bunch of morons.
Exactly! The whole Nader campaign came about because the left protested and slammed Clinton over and over as he kept pushing his Republican economic platform. In any case, she clearly is just making a self-deprecating joke about her own fame. I'm all for multiple interpretations of texts, folks, but you've got to be able to SHOW IT on the page. The only way you can do that here is to take the one line entirely out of context, as that dude's site did.
you might want to take that back pretty fast because i never lied about what she said. but then again why should i put it past you to be a complete moron because i have yet to see you be anything but..
I would include athlete's views and causes in the same way. We have baseball and football players that keep trying to sell people on this Make A Wish thing for terminally ill children. Talk about a bunch of bleeding heart liberals. They should just keep their view to themselves.....
ahh yes becuse we all know war can be filed under the subject of "charitable organizations" *note to self cut all ties with the united way. dirty dirty war mongers.