In your opinion what is your countries 'classic XI' squad of all-time? My ideal Mexican squad would be as follows: --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------A. Carbajal-------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- ----S. Carmona------R. Márquez---C. Suárez------J. Villegas---- -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------P. Pardo--------------------------- ------B. Galindo---------------------------L. de la Fuente------ ---------------------------C. Blanco--------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------J. Borgetti----------H. Sánchez---------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- GK - Antonio "Tota" Carbajal - Played in 5 world cups and has stated that he declined an offer to sign for Real Madrid during their golden age. Was one of the few bright spots in the Mexico sides of the 50's and 60's, definately ahead of his time. RB - Salvador Carmona - Always solid on the right for el 'Tri'. It's a shame about his doping problems, could have been useful in his potential 3rd World Cup in Germany. CB - Rafael Márquez - Along with "Hugol" Sánchez, they're the most successful Mexican players in Europe. First Mexican to win the European Cup/Champions League also won European league titles in 2 different countries; Spain and France, the latter as club captain. Widely considered one of the best center backs in the world when healthy. CB - Claudio "Emperador" Suárez - Holds the record for most caps for the Mexican national team with 178 and among the most for any NT in the world. They didn't call him the emperor for nothing, always a commanding presence in the Mexican backline. LB - José "Jamaicón" Villegas - It's said that Garrincha had nightmares of Villegas tight marking during Chile 1962, also shone during Sweden 1958. Was a key piece of Guadalajara's campeonísimo era, winning 8 league championships. RW - Benjamín "Maestro" Galindo - Absolutely pure class from this two-footed midfielder. Was key in the Mexico team of the 90's. Was outstanding on set pieces, especially penalties and free kicks, and had a silky smooth touch with the ball. CDM - Pavel Pardo - Excellent midfielder who could help recover possesion and iniciate an attack. Brilliant on free kicks and tireless in the midfield. Won a league title in his first season in the Bundesliga. A pioneer, along with Osorio and Salcido, for Mexican players in Europe. CAM - Cuauhtémoc Blanco - One of, if not the greatest Mexican "10" of all-time. Almost always showed up for the big matches and constantly thrived under pressure. Displayed unmatched creativity and flair. An undisputable idol at América and for Mexican fans in general. LW - Luis "Pirata" de la Fuente - Some say he was the greatest Mexican player of all-time. Certainly one of the best during his era. Played in Spain and Argentina, with Racing Santander and Vélez Sarsfield respectively, among other places. ST - Jared Borgetti - Regarded for his great heading ability, he's the all-time leading scorer for the NT. Has scored goals in important tournaments for club and country, such as the FIFA World Cup, Copa América, Copa Libertadores, Confederations Cup, etc. ST - Hugo Sánchez - Easily one of the top 10 center forwards of all time. 5 time 'Pichichi' winner and European Golden Boot winner, considered a legend at Real Madrid and in Spanish football. Like him or not this man was a brilliant football player.
Perú ------------------------------ Ó. Ibáñez ------------------------------ -------- H. Chumpitaz ---- V. Benítez ---- N. Fuentes ----------- ----------------------- R. Challe ---- J. Velásquez ------------------ ------------------ T. Cubillas -------------- C. Cueto --------------- ------ H. Sotil ------------ T. Fernández ------------ J. Uribe ----- Bench: J. Valdivieso; O. De La Torre, L. La Fuente, J. Fernández; L. Cruzado, R. Mifflin, N. Solano, A. Terry; J. Seminario, J. Joya, J. Oblitas, V. López.
-------------------Conejo----------------- -------------------Marin------------------- ---------Centeno----------Montero--------- -------------------Flores------------------- --------------------Soto------------------- -------Bolanos---------------------Oviedo-- ----------Wanchope--------Medford-------- --------------------Morera------------------- Luis Gabelo Conejo - Starred in the 1990 WC, where he was widely considered one of the best keepers of the tournament, and France Football magazine ranked him as the best. Played for Albacete Balompie in the Spanish Second division. Mauricio Montero - Tough, uncompromising defender who marshalled the CR defense in the 80s and 90s, most notably in Italia 1990. Roger Flores Solano - Our best ever man-marker, and former captain of the national team. Luis Marin - Most capped(126) player and defender, played in both the '02 and '06 WCs. Walter Centeno - Excellent defender, man-marker, passer, and one of our most visionary players. Jafet Soto - One of our most skillful midfielders who unfortunately was kept out of World Cups due to injury and bad luck. Played most of his career for a variety of clubs in Mexico. Cristian Bolanos - A fancy dribbler currently playing in the Danish Superliga. Allan Oviedo - Skillful former player who was picked up off the street and brought into the Alajuela youth system, and shined with the national team. Hernan Medford - Played for (what was then) Serie A club Foggia Calcio, Dynamo Zagreb in the Yugoslav League, SK Rapid Wien in the Austrian Bundesliga, and Ray Vallecano in the Primera Liga. Scored the goal against Sweden that took Costa Rica to the second round of 1990. A speedy attacker with decent technical ability. Paolo Wanchope - Second-highest scorer in our history, played with Derby County, West Ham United, and Manchester City in the EPL, Malaga in the Primera Liga, Rosario Central in the Argentine First division, FC Tokyo in the J-League, and finished his career with the Chicago Fire in the MLS. Aslo played in two World Cups ('02 and '06.) Skillful but very awkward dribbler, and scored some spectacular goals. Alejandro Morera Soto - Our best of all time, starred for FC Barcelona and was their top scorer several times in the 1930s. Also starred at Hercules CF (formerly in the Primera Liga.)
I would include them as reserve players. --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------A. Carbajal-------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- ----S. Carmona------R. Márquez---C. Suárez------J. Villegas---- -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------P. Pardo--------------------------- ------B. Galindo---------------------------L. de la Fuente------ ---------------------------C. Blanco--------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------J. Borgetti----------H. Sánchez---------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- Manager: Ignacio Trelles Reserves: Goalkeepers Jorge Campos Ignacio "Cuate" Calderón Oswaldo Sánchez Right Backs Ignacio Flores Vinicio Bravo Center Backs Luis Alfredo Tena Fernando Quirarte Gustavo "Halcón" Peña Guillermo "Tigre" Sepúlveda Left Backs Carlos Salcido Mario "Pichojos" Pérez Guadarrama Right Wingers Jesús "Cabrito" Arellano Isidoro "Chololo" Díaz Defensive Midfielders Alberto García Aspe Marcelino Bernal Attacking Midfielders Horacio Casarín Tomás "Jefe" Boy Left Wingers Ramón Morales Ramón Ramírez Strikers Luis "Matador" Hernández Salvador "Chava" Reyes Carlos Hermosillo Manuel Negrete Luis Flores Luis García Medford also played for Pachuca.
My country's football team is not mentioning, so I am going to list those that I have some knowledge in: ..................................Banks/Shilton Armfield/Neal ........Franklin/Wright........ Moore ..........Byrne/Wilson Matthews............ Edwards............ Charlton ..............Finney ....................Greaves ..................Lofthouse/Shearer/Dean Moore, Charlton, Matthews, Finney, Greaves are MUST in classic England. Can't go wrong with either Banks or Shilton at GK. On talent alone Edwards would make the team. Billy Wright is more famous, but I think he said that Franklin was the best center half he ever seen.
Italy: .........................Zoff/Buffon Gentile/Bergomi...........Baresi..........Scirea.........Maldini ................Tardelli...........V. Mazzola ..............Conti...........................Rivera .....................Meazza..........Riva Must have: Meazza - best italian forward of all time V. Mazzola - one of the best in history Baresi, Maldini, Scirea - Among the best defenders at their positions
He was also the keeper that allowed the most amount of goals in World Cup history; I personally think both Campos and Sanchez were/are better than him. Campos in particular could have been one of the best in the world if he would have been a foot taller. No Baggio Playmaker Giancarlo Antonioni from the 1982 squad could have fit nicely in there too.
Who needs Baggio or Antognoni when you have Rivera in the squad I believe he was the best playmaker in Italy history. (Some said V. Mazzola or Meazza was a better player though) Come to think of it, I think my formation is too attacking for Italian's liking. So to suit their mentality they might add another defender instead of playing Rivera.
You have to remember that Mexico was an average team at best during the time he played his 5 world cups, when you play 5 world cups for a poor team you're bound to allow many goals in. Had he signed for Real Madrid surely he would have shone more than with León or even the Mexican NT.
3 DF Andreas Brehme 4 DF Giacinto Facchetti 5 DF Franz Beckenbauer (captain) 6 DF Franco Baresi 7 FW Éric Cantona 8 FW Amancio Amaro 9 FW Hugo Sanchez 10 MF Zico 11 FW Jean-Pierre Papin 12 MF Gheorghe Hagi 13 FW Rudi Völler 14 MF Gianni Rivera 15 MF Zbigniew Boniek 16 MF Abédi "Pelé" Ayew 17 DF Marius Trésor 18 MF Ronald Koeman 19 MF Bruno Conti 20 FW Wynton Rufer 21 MF Leonardo 22 FW Hans Krankl 1 GK Thomas Ravelli 2 DF Carlos Alberto Torres
That's the 'Classic XI' from FIFA 09. I'm referring to your countries particular ideal eleven of all time.
Baggio and Antognoni produced better performances for Italy than Rivera. Rivera was great but Meazza was greater. He was known to be a better dribbler and although he was a CF, he played out-of-position for Italy and still played well. V Mazzola was a complete package but due to WWII and the Superga tragedy, he never got a chance to prove himself at a major tornament. He was like the Italian Alfredo Di Stefano, if you like. You could replace him with Facchetti and your side could look like this: -------------- Zoff ------------- Scirea ------- Baresi ------ Maldini Gentile ------------------- Facchetti ------ Tardelli ---- V Mazzola B Conti ----- Meazza ------ Riva Which NT is yours? In that team, you could take out Riva for Baggio but there would be too many #10s in the team. There would hardly be any Italian coaches who would have the coglioni to do that. I doubt even Bearzot would do it.
Yugoslavia ----------------Ivkovic--------------- ------------------------------------- --Stanojkovic--Vasovic--Vidic--Baljic-- ------------------------------------- ---------Katanec--Duljaj------------- ------------------------------------- ---Mijatovic--Stojkovic--Prosinecki--- ------------------------------------ -------------Suker------------------
Dragoslav Sekularac is even better than Dragan Dzajic, but I forgot to put him here. He is probably the best Yugoslavian player of all the times
France --Barthez (Bats)-- Thuram (Bossis) -- Blanc (Jonquet) -- Tresor (Desailly) --Amoros (Lizarazu) Vieira (Deschamps) -- Tigana (Fernandez) Kopa (Giresse) -- Zidane (Piantoni) -- Platini (Henry) -- --Fontaine (Papin)--
Brazil: Gilmar Carlos Alberto...Domingos da Guia...Nilton Santos Didi...Zizinho Garrincha...Pelé...Leônidas...Tostão...Rivelino Subs: Taffarel Djalma Santos...Luís Pereira...Marinho Chagas Zito...Gérson...Evaristo Julinho Botelho...Jairzinho...Zico...Canhoteiro Coach: Telê Santana Manager: Zagallo Saint patron: Arthur Friendereich ___________________________________________________________________ PS: 25 names, 7 of them from Flamengo: Domingos, Zizinho, Leônidas, Gérson, Evaristo, Zico and Zagallo ...
Just found out with great pleasure that you 'quote' me in your signature. What an honour!... You forgot though to add the word 'modern' in front of 'football' and I strongly recommend you to do that. It should say - copy it down, please - 'Modern Football started in 1958'. If you don't do it - and very quick - I''ll formally direct a PM to the Administration blaming you for personally trying to bash a BS mate who always respected your opinions & quoted them correctly in spite of so often disagreeing with them. Dishonestly misquoting anybody IS personal offense. If you became enraged and started writhing with your legs up in frustration in view of that phrase, at least transcribe it correctly, will you? ... I even opened a whole thread on the theme "When Did Modern Football Start'. Just follow the link: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=739046 1958 BTW was the date chosen in that thread by the majority of the voters of the poll as the virtual beginning of 'Modern Football'. Don't play the fool - although I do find entertaining the fact that you have me in the back of your stubborn little head. Quote me. But do it fair & honest. Period.
For someone whining so vehemently about being 'misquoted' you seem to have no problem being less than honest yourself about the poll in question. Here are the current results as they stand: 4 - With the Creation of The FIFA International Board of Rules 2 - 1950 World Cup 5 - 1958 World Cup 1 - 1966 World Cup 7 - 1970 World Cup 2 - 1974 World Cup 1 - 1982 World Cup 5 - 1998 World Cup 4 - 2006 Zidane's header on Materazzi 5 - None of Them Majority indeed.
Man, You're even more dishonest than Doro2. And consequently an even more terrible 'quoter' than him... The poll says exactly (it’s enough to click on the link https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=12627!): Sum those numbers in blue & you’ll have the number of voters which is 59 (the names of some of them by some reason I don’t know simply don’t appear), OK, stubborn and dishonest hard-hatted guy?... Besides, since 1970 was simply the culmination of the generation that started in 1958, the period in question comfortably wins by a 14-point margin. You yourself already got several yellow cards before: better take care…
Back to my 1st post, and therefore to the thread topic: As you can notice, a great number of them belongs to the generation that innaugurated Modern Football (according to BS members acclamation) ...
Fixed it but my intention was not to be accurate though. It's just my sarcastic take on you raving about the "importance" of the 1958 World Cup, which I usually find pretty amusing.
That's a great formation. Quite frankly I use the same players in my PES classic Italy. But I put Maldini as a LB instead of Facchetti because I think that's where he performs the best. For that extra CB I put Bergomi. Do you think he's woth a place in there? What are the other choices? Cannavaro? Nesta? Ferri? Burnich? Collovati? I am from Hong Kong. So I guess you can count me as "half British". Our football team was one of the best in Asia 30, 40 years ago, but it is rubbish now. China's football is so corrupted that their league teams want to withdraw from the league...I feel ashamed to mention them to be honest.