Clark: "Kerry will implode over an intern issue"

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by TheWakeUpBomb, Feb 12, 2004.

  1. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

    Mar 2, 2000
    New York, NY
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    It's Drudge, so take it with the required grain of salt. Wouldn't it be great to have an interesting convention again, after all these years?

    http://drudgereport.com/mattjk1.htm

     
  2. Malaga CF fan

    Malaga CF fan Member

    Apr 19, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
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    Interesting also, that Dean has reversed his decision to drop out after Wisconsin. There must be a buzz going through the entire primary process, but if Clark was aware of this, why did he drop out (maybe money)?

    Although I see nothing to indicate that this woman was an intern besides Clark's assertion, you would think Democratic leaders after Clinton and Condit would have learned their lesson about interns. Obviously, if the major media outlets mentioned are still investigating these rumors, we may hear soon enough, but it's probably good to take this with a grain of salt until more major media jumps on board.
     
  3. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    I guess that's not as bad as exploding into an intern.
     
  4. USAsoccer

    USAsoccer Member

    Jul 15, 1999
    Tampa, Florida
    Malaga....Spot on analysis...that was exactly my take on this..(IF TRUE)

    Look, people who seen my posts probably rightly assume that I lean toward Bush, so I hope what I am about to say would resonate with all reasonable people...

    First, people should hold their fire on this. This is nothing more than mere speculation which does not even come close to the level of other Bullspit stuff we have already seen (such as the Bush national guard flap.)

    Second: I don't want to hear one person say that Bush dropped this story. If you say that, BRING PROOF! to support that allegation.

    Finally...EVERYONE should simply stand back, hold their breath and wait to see what the truth is, and then make a judgment.

    Until then, I see all of this as complete crap!

    (See folks, one should always strive to maintain their credibility for both sides.)
     
  5. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    This may be true, it may not be true, but what an utterly awful piece of journalism.
     
  6. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    I thought we were discussing something more important like how Bush has not revealed exactly where he was every moment thirty years ago.

    Seriously, remember folks it's not the facts that matter but how the story changes that matters. The campaign that manages the change in the story best will be the winner.
     
  7. USAsoccer

    USAsoccer Member

    Jul 15, 1999
    Tampa, Florida
    Well, I don't beleive anyone has ever accused Drudge of being a journalist....

    But he did break the Monica thing... so we will see...

    I hope everyone simply holds their fire on this until everyone knows the truth. Then people can make a judgment.

    The Dean thing has been perplexing....makes one wonder...
     
  8. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    Mar 27, 2001
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    The last succesful nominee from the Democratic Party was also a two timing bastard. And he didn't even have the miltary record Kerry has. A decorated veteran that ladies can't resist?

    This spells deep, deep trouble for Bush.
     
  9. USAsoccer

    USAsoccer Member

    Jul 15, 1999
    Tampa, Florida
    Interesting point...care to expound...
     
  10. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Except Matt Drudge
     
  11. USAsoccer

    USAsoccer Member

    Jul 15, 1999
    Tampa, Florida
    I get the impression from your post that if the Sun sets in the West, that would "spell deep, deep trouble for Bush."
     
  12. USAsoccer

    USAsoccer Member

    Jul 15, 1999
    Tampa, Florida
    :)
     
  13. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    This reminds me of Bill Maher's show over the weekend. During his monologue he said something like:

    Nine months before the election, George W Bush's approval ratings have fallen to the same level his father's were at nine months before the '92 election. Now, John Kerry says he's not superstitious, but just to be careful he's going to start screwing everything that moves.
     
  14. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    A good story teller can make a student who gets all A's and one C look like an idiot. A good story teller can make a student that gets all C's and one A look like a misunderstood genius. The facts are only fodder for the story.

    A few days ago we were talking about how when GWB was young and irresponsible he was young and irresponsible. The Dems wanted to parlay that story into a larger story about how GWB is still irresponsible. Okay, fine. That's a good story line and responsibility is something we should want from our politicians, Rep and Dem alike. However, in the last day or so the story turned into JFK's actions at the same time GWB was young and irresponsible. It was about to change into Vietnam Vets coming out against "Hanoi John" and GWB's former CO from Alabama coming out in support of GWB. Whoops, that's not what the Dems wanted. That's a bad story line. Tomorrow the story will, apparently, be about a grown up an irresponsible JFK. That's actually a better story for the Dems.

    Take the next supplemental Iraq/Afghanistan appropriation as an example. The Dems thought they were smart about that one. It appears that the Reps wanted to delay that vote until after the election. The Dems were going to paint GWB as irresponsible and political. Apparently Rumsfled asked for the money before the election but the WH delayed it until after. However today Rumsfeld is shown rushing into the WH. Let's say Bush looks like the wise one by siding with Rumsfeld. Well now the Dems have a problem. JFK has to decide to vote for it or not right before the election. If he does the responsible thing (remember that's the story line) then he has to explain why he voted against the 87B last year. AHA! Now the rep story line of "Hanoi John" not supporting the troops is the dominant story.

    So what matters is not the raw facts but how they trace a story. Whoever manages that story better will be the winner.
     
  15. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

    Mar 2, 2000
    New York, NY
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    I've heard a couple of people say this is Lehane's work. I wonder if he's a bit bitter that he left Kerry to be on Clark's team, and now Clark's out.

    EDIT: Just went to Drudge - he's reporting the Lehane rumor, too.
     
  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    Are you referring to the National Guard problem here??????
     
  17. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

    Apr 29, 1999
    fly-over country
    So far so good.

    Except that the story line is now that our irresponsible President now looks like he may renege on even the limited promise he did make about his military records. Whoops! That's a bad story for the Reeps as it once again fits in with Bush's life narrative of screwing up and then dodging personal irresponsibility. A narrative that goes far beyond his days trying not to get shipped to Nam, btw, in case you had forgotten.

    Which they certainly did. But you can't always get what you want, can you? And it's especially galling when you have to give up what you want because the Dem chorus shames you into giving it up. Everyone still remembers your original desire, though, and wil give you no credit for caving in and doing something only because you were forced to do it.

    Actually, you have attempted the classic demogaguery that opposing a war means you hate the troops who are fighting that war.

    One can make the argument that opposing the war is precisely the best way to support the troops themselves by trying to avoid having them killed or horribly maimed is said war if you believe the costs of the war outweigh its likely benefits.

    True.
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    If there's one thing Bush sucks at, it's dodging personal irresponsibility.

    Yeah, typo smack is weak. Couldn't resist. :)
     
  19. Soccernova78

    Soccernova78 Member

    Mar 16, 2003
    Beyond The Infinite
    I think I just heard it reported that Wesley Clark will endorse Kerry. If this is true it would be odd that he would endorse a guy whose campaign he claims will "implode" over an intern issue.
     
  20. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4239681/
     
  21. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
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    Oh my God, it's Nedra Pickler! That would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

    Let's keep in mind as this develops (if it does) that Kerry was divorced from 1984 to 1995.
     
  22. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

    Apr 29, 1999
    fly-over country
    We know Bush has tried to dodge everything else. If he thought he could dodge irresponsibility, I bet he'd try that too...

    Yeah, OK, I can't type for s***.
     
  23. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    Can anybody comment on the journalistic propriety of quoting comments that were made off the record? Drudge's website acknowledges that the comments (if made) were off the record, yet he quotes them anyway? How does that work?
     
  24. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    You should consider a career as a political consultant.

    Tap the right story, and it's riches.
     
  25. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    No I haven't. I said that this story line could be the one the Reps use later this year. If you're going to attack me for the sake of attacking me you should at least try to understand what I've written. Your attack would be that much more effective.
     

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