News: Civil War in Syria

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  1. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    American white supremacist neo-nazis who staged a march at the University of Virginia on Friday night expressed their customary support for fascist icon Bashar al-Assad, chanting "Assad did nothing wrong" and "Barrel bombs, hell yeah!"

     
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  3. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Fascists and the alt-left have merged in their adulation of Assad and of genocidal totalitarianism generally.

    A Syrianized World


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    12-08-2017: Alongside the chants of ‘Blood and Soil’, ‘You Will Not Replace Us’, ‘White Lives Matter’ and ‘******** You ************s’, some of the privileged fascists rallying at Charlottesville, Virginia gave their opinions on the Syrian issue. “Support the Syrian Arab Army,” they said. “Fight the globalists. Assad did nothing wrong. Replacing Qaddafi was a ********ing mistake.”

    It’s worth noting that these talking points – support for Assad and the conspiracy theories which absolve him of blame for mass murder and ethnic cleansing, the Islamophobia which underpins these theories, the notion that ‘globalists’ staged the Arab Revolutions, and the idea that the Libyan revolution was entirely a foreign plot – are shared to some extent or other by most of what remains of the left.

    https://qunfuz.com/2017/08/12/a-syrianized-world/
     
  4. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Fascists and the alt-left are Assad's, Putin's and Trump's natural constituency.

    Assad finds fan base among white supremacists in Charlottesville

    13-08-2017: ...The affinity for Mr Al Assad in American white supremacist circles can be explained by deep anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim sentiments, along with pro-Russia sentiment, experts told The National.

    ...“These are Vladimir Putin's useful idiots and Bashar Al Assad is Moscow's vassal despot,” Mr Rothman said. “Russia has spared few expenses in the effort to propagandise their support for his monstrous regime as a species of nobility … in their universe, Assad is combating radical Islamists and even the civilian populations he targets with weapons of mass destruction are collaborators who deserve to be cleansed.”

    https://www.thenational.ae/world/th...hite-supremacists-in-charlottesville-1.619402
     
  5. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Even in the bleakest times, there is always hope. No dictator, no totalitarian regime, no evil lasts forever, no matter how hard the regional and global powers wish it would.

    On Struggle, Suffering, and Meaning

    https://antidotezine.com/2017/08/29/struggle-suffering-meaning/
     
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  7. Real Corona

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    If the US allows a forth Sunni Arab terror state well they are just the dumbest people on earth.
     
  8. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Washington keeps whining emptily about "regional stability". They should have thought of that when they decided to let Assad perpetrate genocide in exchange for a worthless 'legacy deal'.

    Despite US warning, Turkey shells Syria’s Kurdish-held Afrin region



    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...rkey-shells-syrias-kurdish-held-afrin-region/
     
  9. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    15 refugees, including women and children, freeze to death on Lebanon's border fleeing Assad's Nakba



    http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/...ound-dead-of-cold-trying-to-flee-into-lebanon
     
  10. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    More than 136 people killed in Syria's Eastern Ghouta


    Russian and Syrian government forces have killed at least 136 civilians over the past 48 hours in Eastern Ghouta, a suburb of the capital Damascus, according to residents and monitoring groups.

    On Monday, 30 civilians were killed in air raids; on the following day, 80 more were killed, and on Wednesday, another 26 were killed.

    At least 22 children and 21 women were among the dead.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/110-people-killed-syria-eastern-ghouta-180207080342112.html
     
  11. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    For the Third Time This Year, Chlorine is Used as a Chemical Weapon in Douma, Damascus [​IMG]
    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/men...chlorine-used-chemical-weapon-douma-damascus/
     
  12. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Normalising Assad's chemical weapon savagery

    For tyrants around the world, Assad is reasserting their right to power by the most brutal means.

    The illusion of the US in the Obama era as an imperfect world police force was shattered, even by those who bought into the idea in the first place. Evan McMullin, a senior adviser to Congress on national security, tells a chilling story of when he confronted a senior state department official on the lack of US action over Assad's use of chemical weapons.

    At the time, regime use of chlorine bombs had first been documented, and McMullin asked the official why the Obama administration wasn't "more forcefully condemning the atrocities". The official's reply was cruel but honest, "We're afraid the media will then ask us what we're going to do about it."
    ..US intelligence now reports that the Assad regime is developing new chemical weapons, almost certainly with Iranian support, while Russia, following the shooting down of one of its war planes in Idlib, seems to have for the first time overtly sanctioned the use of poison gas.
    The Trump regime might make tokenistic noises about all this, but there's no indication that either Assad or Russia are deterred.

    You can't simply claim to oppose one method of genocide, such as poison gas, while tacitly endorsing the genocide in its totality.

    It was the great horrors of imperialism in the 19th and early 20th centuries that provided a zeitgeistal impetus for the rise of European fascism.

    One might say there was blood in the air, whether from the British use of concentration camps against Africans and Boers, or the German empire's genocide in Namibia or WWI itself. The past decades had normalised new industrial forms of brutality.

    It's no surprise that the Syrian civil war with its internationally accepted brutality should be rumbling away as democracy recedes and authoritarian brutality breaks through once more around the globe. https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2018/2/9/normalising-assads-chemical-weapon-savagery
     
  13. Anthony

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    So we just apparently killed a bunch of Russians (mercenaries? Contractors? Advisors?) in Syria and . . . Silence pretty much.

    Our troops and the mostly Kurdish SDF we are supporting are also facing a possible clash with the Turks.

    Is anyone going to ask congress if we should be at war in Syria? It sounds like we have made regime change there a policy now. Did anyone approve of that?
     
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  14. ceezmad

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    We will probably abandon the Syrian Kurds and let them get crushed by the Turks, just like we abandoned the Iraqi ones back in Golf war 1.

    I kind of like the Kurds, and it svcks for them that we are going to turn our back on them one more time.

    Maybe this time they will learn not to trust us when we tell them to fight for us and we will have their back later.

    Svckers.
     
  15. Anthony

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    The Kurds seems to be the closest thing to the "good guys" in this whole mess. Until their inadvised declaration of independence, the Kurds of Iraq were ruling themselves, fairly liberally (as liberally as possible in that part of the world) and well. The Syrian Kurds seem to be the only group we have supported in Syria that is effective, be it against ISIS or Assad.

    But the Kurds have their own agenda, and it does not involve raising the flag in Damascus. They want a state and a state comprisinig the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds would probably be successful (though the political dynamic would be interesting as the Syrian Kurds tend to shade left and the Iraqi Kurds right in Western political terms). But even if that was possible (and the Iraqi and Syrian governments would object) the Turkish reaction would start another wave of wars.

    Like it or not (and I don't) Assad has "won" what ever that means in the Syrian context. So our choice is either garrison the Kurdish territories for ever and hope that these Russian mercenaries don't drag us into a war with Russia or negotiate with Assad. At this point, negotiating with Assad is probably the only honorable way out for us.

    Hopefully we will learn to stay out of other people's civil wars from now on unless there is an overriding American interest.
     
  16. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    The PKK affiliate called the PYD (whose military wing is called the YPG - changed by the US to the SDF for marketing purposes) whose a terrorist death cult, does not represents "the Kurds".

    You're talking about one political group, affiliated to Assad's regime. They support a Staliniist mono-ethnic state and are detested by other Kurdish groups since they work with Assad as and when expedient.

    They have worked with the regime against free Syrians since 2011 being the only Kurdish group that agreed to do so. If you expect free Syrians or anyone else to hold a pity party for them, you're sadly mistaken.

    They have now backed themselves into a corner, the US and the regime will drop them once they're no longer are useful, and having betrayed other free Syrians, they can expect no sympathy.

    By claiming you don't want foreign wars, then supporting (more) foreign wars, you perpetuate the cycle. Your interest isn't others concern.


    Assad's US-backed PKK terrorist allies strike an additional agreement.

    Afrin: Syria 'sending fighters to help Kurds against Turkey'

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43107013
     
  17. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    'It's not a war. It's a massacre': scores killed in Syrian enclave

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...enclave-eastern-ghouta?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
     
  18. Anthony

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43107013

    So our allies (the Kurds) are now allying themselves with a regime we are working to remove (the Assad government) in order to fight another one of our allies (Turkey).

    Much easier if we just stay out of this mess.
     
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  19. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    You won't succeed in any interventions, however, the U.S does not seek to topple Assad as he is a U.S ally.



     
  20. Real Corona

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    Assad is a US ally now? Wow
     
  21. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    Assad is your ally now, and always has been. The US interest has always been to preserve or at best replace Assad with another mere figurehead whose more appetizing to their interests, while all state institutions remains in place.

    Five-day assault on Syria enclave kills more than 400


    https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/five-day-assault-syria-enclave-kills-more-400-doc-10u4p73
     
  22. Real Corona

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    Well frankly after what happened in Iraq and Libya after knocking out their crazy dictators maybe being Assad’s ally is a new strategy
     
  23. Anthony

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    A better strategy is staying out of other people’s civil wars.
     
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  24. Real Corona

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    Sometimes for regional stability its a good idea to step in. For example letting Isis take Baghdad would have been a very very bad idea. Toppling relatively stable but unfriendly leaders maybe not so much
     
  25. Pro-Freedom

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    Apr 3, 2017
    ISIS in itself is largely a result of the American intervention and occupation of Iraq and by the fracture that western foreign policy has created in the region.
     

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