Expectations? Does anyone in this posting universe expect the CIA to ever be anything other than what it has been? Wholesale change is just that, anything less is well, not that. The CIA been through any wholesale change lately I don't know about? Since it was the OSS, this is what those people DO...Doesn't make it right, but it is a reality representative of the American government and by extension, the American people. Trust me, where I live, most people would allow their children to undergo some torture if it would make them safer...sad that they don't realize that the safety thing is an illusion, always has been...
From the original link, "CIA ...contracting out their interrogation to foreign intelligence agencies known to routinely use torture..." Does that count as US using torture? It's like saying "We are not going to do it, we will pay and let others do it for us..." Where is the line?
Who cares? It's not like they're nice people we're doing it to. If it means getting valuable information out of them then great. They started this, they better be prepared for what we'll do to them. They can murder and torture us, but if we do something bad to them then boo hoo. Cry me a river.
From what I read, torture is a crime that breaches the 1949 Geneva Conventions, and is subject to universal jurisdiction, meaning that it can be prosecuted in any national criminal court.
From my understanding the way it works is this..... The US Government does not torture, the CIA does not torture. However, if som of the intelligence agencies in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or other places would like to speak to our captives for a bit in an attempt to interrogate them, we will gladly pay them for any information they are able to get out of our captives. IS it illegal? NO Is it shady? Yes
I doubt you're right, and even if you are, do you really believe that the CIA abides by this legalistic distinction? I don't care whether these "detainees" are technically prisoners of war or not. The US should not engage in torture. Period.
How torturous was it for those people in the WTC who jumped from 100 floors while on fire? Some things ain't pretty. If you don't like it, just close your eyes and pretend they don't happen.
I think that's the point, we're not...seems to me we tell the detainees that either they talk, or we hand them over to someone (Pakistan, Egypt, etc--someone we have at least a tiny amount of trust for, as opposed to the Saudis) who won't be so nice as we are. Besides, these ************ers deserve whatever they get anyway.
Unless they give us false information. Torture is only useful in a punitive sense. Getting information out of it is just unreliable. If they break under torture, they'd tell you they killed the Kennedys. (When after all, it was you and me.) And if they don't break under torture - and I'm guessing they're trained in this kind of thing - then the info they give is useless anyway.
The CIA uses torture, the USA backed Iraq and helped Hussein build up his military, Trent Lott might be a racist, Christian Americans are being murdered by non-Christian non-Americans, and cloning people is a bad idea. The Politics board has been full of a lot of late-breaking "news" lately.
That's what your wife told her friends after your wedding night. I don't really have anything against you, dawg, but the setup line was too sweet.