Christmas Wish List for the Rapids

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by Riccardo55, Dec 4, 2004.

  1. Riccardo55

    Riccardo55 Member+

    Mar 11, 2001
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I suppose it's our responsibility to help out Stan with a proper Christmas List for the next season. He does not need to worry about Forsberg's ankles, so maybe there will be a little something extra in the stocking or under the tree.

    Stocking Stuffers:
    1) Fix the standing section problem for the July 4 game
    2) Heck, built in a standing area in the new stadium!
    3) Schedule the USA Nat's in a doubleheader next year, maybe a qualifier?
    4) Establish a radio station and twist their arms to talk about Soccer
    5) Settle in on a uniform uniform

    Under the Tree:
    1) A real #10, like Andres Limpar, young enough to be here for a bit
    2) A coach who can play exciting soccer
    3) GM who understand the cap, and where money should be spent
    4) An injury free season, with return to form of Powell & Roberts
    5) An MLS cup (might as well ask...)

    R
     
  2. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What form?
    :p
     
  3. He's In Fashion

    Jan 7, 2000
    Littlefun, CO, US
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, sweet Jaysus, a player as proficient as Anders in the Midfield again... that would be something...

    Spot, the form in which I believe Ricardo is referring to, is the form that allowed ZiZi to score just about everytime he got on the pitch. As far as Powell is concerned, the man has never been 100% since the day he stepped off the plane, so no one knows what he could be capable of...

    I like the list Ricardo, and I don't think it's asking too much, in fact, most of it is way overdue.
     
  4. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    Well if we're asking for stuff ... what about cheap beer? :-D
     
  5. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Served by the Rapids cheerleaders so they wouldn't be on the field.
     
  6. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    Booya!
     
  7. Bilbo

    Bilbo New Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Box under I-25/ I-70
    How about we just get someone who can pick some good looking women for the cheerleaders instead of 15 year old girls. It wouldn't make me feel so dirty when I look at them. GET WITH IT FRONT OFFICE.
     
  8. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    Please explain why you consider a player like Limpar a "real #10."
     
  9. Riccardo55

    Riccardo55 Member+

    Mar 11, 2001
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, gee-whiz, Greenie....such a loaded request! Definitely not in the Christmas spirit!

    Yes Limpar played wing for us, not a pure #10, but he ran the offense (at least for most all of our goals those years)....I was actually thinking about a 'real #10' with his sort of skills, you know someone who can drop a soccer ball into a pickle barrel at 35 meters, and can hold/pass. Someone to win games & make those around him, you know, better.

    So Greenie, You are a bright guy, and have good knowledge of Rapids Past, Rapids Present...what do you think Ebeneezer Kronke and Bob Cratchit (the new coach, in case you have not heard) should do for Rapids future (aside from getting striker Tiny Tim off injured reserve)???

    RLH

    p.s. Geez, had I done the Christmas Carol last year, think of the fun with Tiny Tim AKA Spencer or Hankinson. Sigh.
     
  10. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    I'll assume that you're simply asking "what players should they get." Hard to be sure if that's what you were saying amidst that mess.

    Regardless of Rapids' history, the bottom line is that the team needs to hire a coach that shares Balboa's vision (assuming that as reported he will be significantly involved in player management), that CoachTBD and Balboa stay committed to that vision and most importantly, that the vision is not flawed to begin with.

    A "real #10" won't mean squat if he's not surrounded with capable midfielders, just as an MVP goalie can't carry them through the playoffs without competent defenders.

    What kind of players should they go after? Without knowing who will be the coach and what his strategy will be, all I can say is players that are consistent in their production, understand and respect the system, and can remain free of injuries.
     
  11. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With Pablo behind him, a #10 could do well in Colorado. I've always been a little fuzzy about what people define a "real #10" as. I think of them as great passers, leaders and scorers. Would Valderrama be considered a great #10 while with CO? He only had one goal for the Rapids and he's tied in Rapids points with DiGiamarino. I would love to see league MVP Guevara end up here. Is he a #10? I'm sure that is debatable. However, he'd be able to really excite the offense. Mulrooney is supposedly on the trading block, maybe he'd fit in there. I'm not sure if he's more of a winger or not. Joselito Vaca seems like he is going to break out one of these seasons. He's only 22 and can be a youth international for another 2 years. Too young to run the offense but could add depth. Kyle Martino is starting to come out of his shell in this role. Maybe a new club would inspire him to greatness.

    Looking through the current MLS players list it is really hard to find attacking minded midfielders who would do well running the central midfield. Maybe one could be found down south somewhere. It seems like next year's Rapids are going to need to allow Pablo to run the midfield with an attacking midfielder running right behind the forwards. I don't think we're going to dig up a "real #10" too soon.
     
  12. Mr Hanki's Throne

    Mr Hanki's Throne New Member

    Mar 13, 2001
    Wellington, Colo
    Why is Balboa so important for the process of coach and player selection for next year? Perhaps because of the fact that he stumbled on that job within the Kronke organization.

    But what I am really asking: Why are BSers so confident on "Balboa's vision" for the team? What Balboa is is a TV commentator and a former player. What are you hoping from the Balboa vision? What is the Balboa vision?

    I am not saying that Balboa has a great idea for the team or does not. It seems that BSers have a lot of unwarranted faith in him. I see him as a bit of a crap shoot, but maybe it'll work.
     
  13. Riccardo55

    Riccardo55 Member+

    Mar 11, 2001
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    We're more than OK at Goalie & Defensemen by MLS standards.

    We have some quirky midfielders, but they'll be OK, too, as long as the "new coach" avoids the Hankinson errors (i.e. setting up Chung for right foot shots, having Spencer head the ball, keeping Zizi out of the box where his size broke down defenses, etc.).

    I am unsure about the forwards, but our pathetic scoring wasn't so much having worthless strikers, and more about strikers who were underused. It is the person who can keep the forwards busy that we need. Once they're kept busy, I think we're OK.

    R
     
  14. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since he is basically the GM now (as far as we know) we have to hope Balboa can do some good work in bringing in players. As a former player I think he has the ability to scout talent. I know this is not a given for all players, but since he played in this league I think he knows what it needs.
     
  15. Riccardo55

    Riccardo55 Member+

    Mar 11, 2001
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe, based on play and character, that Balboa will achieve similar glory off the pitch not unlike Peter Nowak's transition.

    Yes, I could be wrong, but this was a 'dream' hire from one fan's point of view. Why? I see the same old hack's being circulated around MLS as coach/GM etc. and generally these lead to a repeat of franchise errors and are likely to produce less, not more, than their first posting. Hankinson agruably had more success in Tampa than Denver. Balboa's ties to MLS, the Rapids, the US National teams(ie. the under-age, too), and the classy way he handled himself on the field all suggest he'll do well. His only drawback is that he's young and inexperienced.

    R
     
  16. nowar99

    nowar99 Member

    Apr 14, 2003
    Boulder
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I agree with Riccardo55's summation. One thing I hate in MLS (well, really, all professional sports) is this dogged enthusiasm in which teams snap up coaches and leadership who was just fired - retreads.

    We burned ourselves with one in just the last few years. Hankinson had one decent year with Tampa, but his overall record was 39-38-4 record in 2 1/2 seasons and 0-4 in the postseason. 2 1/2 seasons and he's .500 in Tampa. I bet his record in Colorado isn't much of (if at all) an improvement.

    Surprise surprise, we got EXACTLY the same type of mediocrity and postseason failure with Hankinson in Colorado as MLS got with Tampa with Hanki as their coach.

    Teams in all sports do this. Like some guy who was fired after an under .500 season is some sort of find. "whoah, we'd better snap HIM up before someone else jumps all over him."

    With Balboa, we are going outside the mold and bringing in new blood to the system.

    Maybe Balboa will fail. I obviously hope he does not fail, but maybe he will. But if he fails, we will not be able to sit around and mope about how "well, we should have known he would suck based on his previous record with..."
     
  17. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    Goal, of course. But defensemen? If you can't recognize that the Rapids' defense in 2004 was average at best, you must have had your head in the ground and have only paid attention to statistics.

    Borhcers and Kotschau are solid, yet Borchers is still prone to significant mistakes in the middle, and Kotschau is much better wide as compared to his converted role in the center. And beyond these two, just who do we have that is a capable, "more than OK" defender? It certainly isn't Ricky Lewis, and while Crawford is a talented kid, he's not exactly a rock on defense and appears much more suited to midfield.

    Just how is Hankinson's coaching decsions responsible for Chung's one-footed play, or anything else you listed? Zizi wasn't in the box because he wasn't on the damn field, and there's nothing wrong with Spenny heading the ball. And why is it you cling to the notion that nobody under 6'3" scores on headers?

    For the instances you describe, the only thing you can blame Hankinson for in his decision to keep all three in the squad. Chung's peg leg, Zizi's injuries and Spencer's dimunitive stature weren't exactly tightly held secrets.

    Back to the point -- and that is what a "real #10" would be capable of bringing to the Rapids. "Quirky" midfielders will do neither the team any good nor will they allow a "#10" to do what his moniker suggests. With the amount that Chung comes into the middle of the park, any "real #10" would be driven mad trying to play alongside him.

    Similarly, these same magicians you hearken to aren't exactly defensive, and the Rapids will need more than just Pablo staying home to keep opponents at bay -- that means Chung and Hendo not just tracking back, but actually challenging and winning the ball in their own half.

    In reality, any player packing significant talent will be of benefit to the club. To apply that benefit requires a strategy that will take proper advantage of that talent and a roster that can support it.

    To put it in simpler terms: it's going to take a lot more than a "true #10" to make the Rapids a contender.
     
  18. He's In Fashion

    Jan 7, 2000
    Littlefun, CO, US
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with most of your post Greenie. I think one of the things that I found most horrifying was Mark Chung's play, there were more than 3 or 4 games where he looked like he just didn't want it. I can think of no more a unforgivable sin as a professional athlete. I have no worries about Henderson actually playing both ways, there were games last year, were he was the only one on the pitch... Having spoken with players about this since Pibe's departure, the consensus is that they truely miss that playmaking midfielder. I naturally think the players have a better grasp when it comes to the on the field problems. Obviously, Hankinson displayed his retardation through his subs and starting line-ups, there were numerous occasions where all but 1 or 2 players on the pitch were exactly the players that should be there, but only in the wrong position. For instance, Hendo playing as a third/withdrawn/quasi-forward, that's done. Sullivan and other players with minimal offensive capability being subbed in late for a goal, that's done. Seth Trembly, that pecker better not even sniff the pitch.

    I truly think we are going to see an upgrade in on the field production because Hankinson himself, was such a roadblock for just about every player on the team. I don't think it gets worse than Hankinson, unless you hire Sampson.
     
  19. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    But our defense rocks if you put Pablo in the middle with Borchers with Kotschau outside ... crawford on the other side and hopefully have two guys that can challange both outside backs for playing time. That's the defense that made us formidable defensively in the league.

    Then we we can focus on rebuilding our midfield finding a couple central midfielders that can actually create opportunities with the ball through both dribbling and passing. We're probably going to have to stick with Chung and Henderson on the outside since we have so many major holes to fill. One being finding two more strikers.
     
  20. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    I disagree for the following reasons:

    Mastroeni is all but refusing to play central defense. The guy's future with the National team -- and hell, future as a pro -- is in the midfield, and in all honesty I didn't see the Rapids being any better defensively with Pablo in the backline than with him in midfield. Is the backline iteslf better with Pablo? Absolutely. But is the team better? Not really. Borchers/Kotchau in the back and Pablo in the middle is a much stronger defensive core than Borchers/Pablo in the back and Beckerman (or Trembly or anyone) in the middle.

    Crawford and Borchers are still learning their positions. When half of the back line is still learning, it's hard to claim that the defense is fine and doesn't need work. They both did well when playing in the back, but both made a significant number of mitakes at crucial times. They've got the potential be solid, but they've still got a long way to go before they can be considered "rock solid." Additionally, where Borchers look like he's well on his way to that level, and just might achieve it in 2005, I'm not convinced that Crawford is best suited as an outside back. I feel that Crawford's best play in 2004 came as a midfielder.


    That said, how well these individuals all played in 2004 means little with regards to my initial statement -- and that is that a "real #10" will only benefit if he's playing in a system that's designed to accomodate him, and that has players capable of working with that system. We haven't yet seen Borchers or Crawford involved in this sort of system yet, and thus it's hard to say they will definitely succeed under it.
     
  21. Riccardo55

    Riccardo55 Member+

    Mar 11, 2001
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh my, calm down........

    "By MLS standards" we are OK in the back. Not by EPL standards maybe. Fine. Salary cap means being above average (at below relative cap cost) in all aspects of the game leads to championships.

    The whole world of soccer has it's quirky players-everyone has a special skill or ability and a relative weakness. You've read my posts for YEARS now Greenie, and I've always been irritated with the Rapids putting players in positions that expose their weaknesses, while other teams seem to get 'more' out of similar-level players. Chung is an asset to the Rapids, provided we know/scheme/execute a game that allows him to be an MLS 'Best 11' player. Ditto for other players. You note Borchers has central defense issues...then maybe he should be defending on the flank!?

    As we move into 2005, better 2005-2010, let's build for that future. A real franchise, not just a cut-n-pasted roster each year introducing the new savior. You make good point. No 10/playmaker/whatever wins without the rest. We have some championship pieces, just no all of them yet.

    R
     
  22. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    Just because I write a few extra paragraphs to back up my point, this somehow means I need to "calm down?" Please. :rolleyes:

    I never compared the Rapids' defense to the EPL -- in fact, my comparisons are based purely against those of other teams in MLS, many of whom played better defense in the Rapids in 2004 (and/or scored at will against us).

    I disagreed with your original summation that the Rapids' defense was "more than OK by MLS standards." So now you say we are OK, which certainly sounds like "average" to me. So which is it?

    Huh? Please put your answer in the form of a sentence...
     
  23. Daksims

    Daksims New Member

    Jun 27, 2001
    Colorado
    No, seriously, greenie. You need to calm down. You're endangering your life, man. You mean alot to all of us, greenie. We only want what's best for you.
     
  24. Riccardo55

    Riccardo55 Member+

    Mar 11, 2001
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The salary cap issue is clear in all sports: spending all your cash on, say, offense leaves the defense suspect. Better to have some excellence in all areas than to only excel in only one.

    So to weave that into the Rapids, perhaps we can look to achieve 'strength up the middle' to reach our goal, eh? We have the Goalie, we're overall above average on defense (yes, I am "OK" with that for now, sure, would be happy to get a bit better..).

    Now for the attack, guess who's bio this is? "Has some good skills and at times looks like he's going to break out, but remains inconsistent. Can look lost at crucial times." You guessed correctly! It describes our entire attacking mid/forward group! :D

    So how to fix this? I think a new coach and someone to solidify the attack would be the easiest fit. I am unconvinced we've got flawed players!!! We could trade out a batch of players for another set of equally talented MLS level folks. We've done this in the past, a few times, and haven't really gotten better...maybe got different. Minor upgrades position-to-position can make small improvements. That's great and welcomed. Maybe we'll be better than a .500 team, finish in second, not third place.

    Championships require something more.

    As this is all a Christmas Wish, why not ask for a Championship move as opposed to an 'improve from mediocre to above average' move! If anyone has another idea to win the Cup in '05, let's hear the specifics! Where's our weakest links, and what should we do about them.

    R
     
  25. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    Thank you for rephrasing your point about salary:
    I disagree. Kansas City has long managed to field an exceptionally good back line with low-salaried players. And if you believe the Rapids' defense is "above average," then the same can be said about our four; the only one making more than a pittance is Kotschau.

    It's difficult to compare MLS to other sports that carry salary restrictions (and in truth, only a small number of leagues have caps) simply because it's not so much a low ceiling as it is a crawlspace. As such, MLS and Open Cup titles are generally won by teams that (a) recognize talent in young and/or affordable players, (b) acquire complementary talent and (c) install a system that takes advantage of that talent.

    Simply put, a common thread among successful MLS clubs are those which can regularly start young, minimum-wage (and/or "developmental status") players and not get punished on the field for doing so. Comparatively, successful NBA teams are rarely forced to even play their lowest-salaried talent, let alone start them.

    I will agree that our overall defense in 2004 was above average -- but that's not an indication that our back four is above average. Significant credit needs to go to Cannon, who regularly earned the Rapids points by himself, but we also can't forget that the team pretty much played with 2 defensive mids on the field at all times.

    Now, if you've got 6 players on the field that are primarily defensive and the league's best GK... what does it say when the the team as a whole can only be considered to have "above average" defense?


    You ask what the Rapids need, and again I will point out that aside from the obvious need -- a prolific finisher -- this question is extremely difficult without knowing what kind of strategy the new coach is looking to bring, and moreover what kind of performance the coach feels he can bring out of the existing players.

    Without knowing what Coach TBA wants to do with the team, I think what the Rapids need is a dominant, experienced central defender. Think Eddie Pope. Better yet, if Daryl Powell looks to remain injury-free in 2005 (ha!) then I would love to see the Rapids pair him with Borchers and concentrate their efforts on a strong midfielder.

    Moreover, if Coach TBA can get Chung back on form, then I don't think the priority is for a dominant attacking midfielder. And if Coach TBA doesn't believe he can get Chung back on form -- and keep Hendo at a high level -- then we've got more holes in midfield than we think.
     

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