Christian Pulisic Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by ussoccer97531, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member

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    Buffalo
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    Obligatory Buffalo pedantry: the problem isn't that Wes puts a white sauce on his pizza, it's that the white sauce isn't blue cheese.
     
  2. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

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  3. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
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    Well, let's be honest......................Pulisic's performance level right now puts him in the price range of a very select group of clubs. And even those have to be in good standing with FFP/PSR. He seems REALLY happy at Milan (from a distance), so maybe leaving isn't on his mind anyway.
     
  4. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Ah, TM values. Because everyone knows that English players are undervalued. Right now Mason Mount is worth 35. (There is, of course, a market-driven reason that's partly behind this, but that's the result of a deliberately inefficient market meant for the benefit of English players.)

    I know that was an attempt at a final knockout punch, but that's a cheap word-play knockout punch and nothing more. Bellingham has been consistently great for a year. That's it. Which was exactly my point with bringing him into the discussion.

    You have an entirely different standard for Pulisic than you have for him. Which is my point. You're not even denying it. You're just saying that there is an order of magnitude of greatness between them, that with Bellingham it's "class," and with Pulisic it's "form," based on... you know, "greatness." I'm calling bullshit and asserting that this is confirmation bias at play.
     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Why is a German database biased towards English players?
     
  6. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Because English players are more valuable to English clubs (courtesy of the homegrown player rule), and the Premier League is the world's most deep-pocketed.
     
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  7. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

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  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    The homegrown rule technically applies to more than just English players. You just have to have been with a club for three years before you turn 21. So Cavan Sullivan if he goes to City at 18 would count as homegrown.
     
  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    Bellingham was pretty good at Dortmund too. He’s been consistently great for longer than a year. Madrid is just a bigger stage than Dortmund.

    And he’s probably going to finish second or third in voting for the Ballon D’Or which itself is an entirely different level to where Pulisic has been.
     
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  10. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    London is definitely a world class city in terms of food/restaurants. As you’d expect from a city that is one of the most diverse in the world.

    That’s not the case in lots of other places in England but London stands up there with any city around the world.
     
  11. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Yeah I definitely don’t agree with any city in the world.
     
  12. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    I mean having been to most of what one would consider the top food cities in the world, London compares very favorably in my mind.

    Any city with that large an immigrant population has really great ethnic food of all sorts. One may not consider it English cuisine but if you go to LA or NYC one probably doesn’t consider the best restaurants in those cities to be American food.
     
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  13. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

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    I have found that New York city is much more diverse than London but I do NOT like either city. I do not like noise or crowds and both New York and London are crowded and noisy.
    I find that I can deal with crowds or noise but I have a lot of trouble when they are combined.

    But there is little to recommend most big cities as they are almost all too crowded and it is nearly impossible to find a quite place.
     
  14. SamsArmySam

    SamsArmySam Member+

    Apr 13, 2001
    Minneapolis, MN
    Not an expert in the homegrown rule, only reacting to your language (and the implied math of it)...

    If you need 3 years before you turn 21 to qualify for the homegrown rule, then it seems to me Cavan would need to go to City before he turns 18.

    If this is the correct reading, then my question would be whether he can go to City before he is an adult.
     
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  15. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

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    Why does that matter? Over half the players for any given team are not functional adults. They behave and act and talk like the worst of the teenage stereotype. ;)
    After all they are paid a LOT to play a game which encourages infantile behavior.
     
  16. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Yes, technically-speaking that is true. But the clear tilt is towards players who grew up in England. English players.
     
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  17. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

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    He was a little bit better at Dortmund than Pulisic. (As he's been in general.) But you wouldn't look at what he did in Dortmund and say "world class." You'd say "wunderkind." Big difference.

    He's had one maestro season.
     
  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    He was much more than a little bit better than Pulisic at Dortmund. He was one of the best players on the team who played every minute he was available for and one of the best players in the entire league. Pulisic was not at that level at Dortmund.
     
  19. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    New York City and London are similar cities (though London generally a bit cleaner as they don’t store their garbage on the side of the street as they did in New York City till recently). Both are two of the most diverse cities on the planet but have a different mix of where those immigrants are from.

    And it is very easy to find a good quiet place in both if you know where to look. I’ve been to many such spots in both cities.
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    It’s three seasons not three calendar years. Cavan Sullivan is a bit more complicated because of when his birthday is.

    Slonina is one who I think will qualify though. Saliba was another one who counts who signed with Arsenal because he was 18.

    It was easier to qualify pre Brexit because it was easier to sign a non English player at a younger age. Someone like Pogba being an example. But those players all still count as homegrowns if they came back.
     
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  21. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

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    His production was a little better than Pulisic. And they were there at about the same age.
     
  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    They weren’t playing the same position. He was an 8 and his value there was more about goals and assists.

    In fact by the end of his tenure at Dortmund Pulisic wasn’t an every game starter when healthy as Sancho was eating into his minutes. In his final year he played 20 games for Dortmund, starting 9 and coming off the bench in 11 (and there was four games where he was an unused sub). Meanwhile in his final year Bellingham started 30 of 31 games he was available for and if he doesn’t get hurt and plays in the last game maybe they win the league.

    Sancho was also pretty clearly better than Pulisic at Dortmund but hasn’t done much since he left.
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Apr 18, 2015
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    It's pretty easy to find a quiet place in NYC and London. They have massive parks. NYC has 500 miles of coastline.

    Obviously they're not where the tourists go because those places are full of tourists. But if you go to the north-end of Central Park, for instance, and wander along the paths, you can sit next to a waterfall and hear nothing except the water, the birds and the odd distant siren. Same in parts of Hyde Park in London.

    Just like with food, you just need to know where to go.
     
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  24. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    From my experience, London can’t touch the range, diversity, experimentation and quality of New York
     
  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    I think it depends on what you’re looking for in terms of type of food. I think Indian food is better in London for instance but other cuisines like Persian or various sorts of Arabic food for instance I’ve definitely found better in London. Whereas there’s for instance much better Japanese or Korean options in New York. A lot of this has to do with the specific immigrant mix in both as both as similarly diverse by whatever metric you measure it but it’s different countries in terms of where those immigrant communities come from.
     
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