Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

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  1. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    By this logic, Pulisic is as close to a bust as can be this season.

    He's got 1g/1a in 1,000 league minutes.
     
  2. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not cynicism-its realism.
     
  3. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you keep reading you'll see I explain the specific context of Depay being a bust at United, and none of that applies to Pulisic at Chelsea. Even though CP's production this season has not been good.
     
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  4. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
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    Man I dunno, on my TV, those kits were FUGLY. It was an offense to my eyes looking at that for 90. I could not imagine having to look at
     
  5. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
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    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #44205 MarioKempes, Mar 10, 2021
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2021
    Pulisic should go to Barcelona. Jordi Alba, on the left side of midfield, will be 32 years old in 11 days. Barcelona lack pace these days. I expect Messi to leave in the summer. Griezmann turns 30 this month. To some extent, Barcelona is building a new team and are looking for young, pacey talent. They were just dumped out of the Champions League by PSG. Their style of play would give Pulisic plenty of opportunities. I see a match. They will have cash when Messi leaves. He'll likely go on a free, but they don't have to pay his salary anymore.
     
  6. mace

    mace Member+

    Indy 11
    United States
    Jun 5, 2004
    USA
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    Chicago Fire
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    United States
    these stats are great for old guys like me. Real easy to remember!
     
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  7. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
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    I don't think there is much to the Transfer rumors, every team in the leagues knows who is in and who is out of favor at most of the clubs and certainly the larger clubs. Truly this article is just a stock article with names and teams changed to suit the player du-jour. It literally true about almost any player/club whenever a name player is not in the starting rotation.

    I don't think he can "force" a transfer that causes CFC to lose a significant portion of their investment in him. I mean I guess he could drop tools and refuse to play for them, but nothing he has ever done has indicated that is something he would even consider. I do think he is a "professional" in that sense.

    I also do not find Chelsea/Tuchel treating him in a way that is particularly egregious. Top teams often have high dollar benches. If the numbers quoted here are accurate who is going to stump up well north of fifty million pounds and ~150k a week?

    I think the more likely scenario is Tuchel gets into it with Marina over players, and ends up out of a job. He is a good tactician, they have talent, and it is not out of the realm of possibilities they get a trophy this year, and TT still get fired. RA is not messed up about firing a trophy winning coach and Marina isn't going anywhere. Maybe Tuchel has learned to get along with upper management, but can a tiger change its stripes?

    tl/dr; If the numbers quoted here are accurate who is going to stump up well north of fifty million pounds, and ~150k a week?
     
  8. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
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    Might want to rethink that.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/...ost recent financial,a result of the pandemic.
     
  9. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. greenarch

    greenarch Member

    Jan 16, 2021
    Messi is probably not leaving with Laporta in.
     
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  11. HockeytownHeel

    HockeytownHeel Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    Jul 23, 2018
    lol we get so way off track.
    Odds of him going there and the trainwreck of Barca is about as much as me going there.
     
  12. oscar_in_fw

    oscar_in_fw Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Kansas City
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    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Barcelona has looked dominant lately ever since the first leg disaster against PSG. They should have won the 2nd leg easily.
     
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  13. dspence2311

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    Oct 14, 2007
  14. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Some thoughts:

    1. The Cancelo remark about CP is interesting.
    2. Clearly, TT is not giving Pulisic the same look or chances he is giving other players. This seems pretty indisputable. If you want to draw inferences about reasons that would justify that, that’s all they are — inferences.
    3. Therefore, irrespective of those inferences, I see no reason to believe that no one would pay Chelsea’s de facto asking price for Pulisic in the market this summer. I don’t think Marina or Roman particularly care about whether he is on the squad, and they probably want to make other moves for which they would like to have more cash. He seems a little high priced for a little used reserve player. I could easily see him going to a comparable club elsewhere, claims to the contrary here notwithstanding.
     
  15. Method

    Method Member

    United States
    Aug 20, 2018
    I Def think puli will prove tt wrong sooner rather than later. Probably not on Chelsea though
     
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  16. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Roman bought Pulisic to entice interest in Chelsea from the US.

    Unless he is a complete dumpster fire, he isn’t going anywhere.

    A more likely explanation for his lack of starts has been his nagging injury situation, current form since TT has come in and TT already fully aware of Pulisic’s ability.
     
  17. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't argue with TT's results so far. He hasn't used Pulisic because the guys in front of him are getting it done defensively and *just enough* offensively and his team are cruising.

    Pulisic is a great option to have on the bench, both given how explosive he is as well as his trouble staying match fit and logging lots of minutes. TBH, all things equal, if I'm his coach -- right now -- I'd be doing the same thing.
     
  18. MisterPinstripe

    Jul 22, 2013
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    Everton FC
    I think that would be fair if he was actually getting time off the bench. How can a guy get match fit and be useful when you need him if he doesnt actually get time on the field? Coming on in the 90th minute, 85th minute, etc isnt going to do much and you wont have someone that is mentally ready to roll. Its not like hes been getting 20 minutes a game. He had one game where he got 20-25 and other then that its been time wasting subs.
     
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  19. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I have to wonder if at least some of the consternation of this situation is based on overrating dribbling as a skill and underrating defending. I think anyone but a diehard Pulisic fan is going to be perfectly fine with Tuchel's approach. They were a poor team tumbling when he got there and they have been dominating since. And the turnaround was instant. He has done an exemplary job by any measure other than how he affects Pulisic's career, which is our concern but not his.
     
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  20. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    It's like our two posts were posted in reverse order
     
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  21. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    No one being able to offer a comparable example to CP who actually transferred should say something about the likelihood of this happening this summer. But Summer 2022 might be a different story... especially if he produces more in however many opportunities he gets between now and then under Tuchel.
     
  22. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You don’t come off the bench for purpose of getting match fit. You come off the bench as the match dictates. Recent matches have Chelsea protecting slim leads so first subs are defensive or at least two-way players in nature.
     
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  23. Hagbard Celine

    Hagbard Celine Member+

    Oct 7, 2003
    Simsbury, CT
    I've always been baffled by this line of thinking. The marginal impact to viewership of Chelsea's games combined with increased shirt sales must have been miniscule compared to his price tag. I'm not buying it - the market just isn't there...the pool of soccer fans in the US is small to begin with then narrow that down to people who wouldn't ALREADY watch Chelsea or buy a Chelsea jersey but would now that CP is there?

    They signed CP because they thought he could help them win. And he did (last year).
     
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  24. usnroach

    usnroach Member+

    Jul 5, 2009
    SoCal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since Tuchel Took over.

    Pulisic came off the bench in 6 games (EPL) and played:
    Wolves 14'
    Burnley 45'
    Spurs 25'
    Man United 25'
    Liverpool 24'
    Everton 1'

    Started and played 80' in the FA Cup against Barnsley.

    Off the bench and played 3' against Atletico in the CL.

    Obviously the lack of starts is not great and he should be getting more starts. However, he is getting quite a bit of time when he is subbed in. Not garbage time.
     
  25. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    There are 10 EPL games left. If CP is not able to get at least 2 starts in those games, then TT just don't rate him. Time to move on, things are not going to get better next season.

    Now we all understand why CHO was frustrated under Lampard. Frank rather play Mount on the wing instead of CHO, when both Pulisic and Ziyech were out injured. Lampard simply didn't rate CHO for whatever reasons.
     

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